Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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See the Russians are planning referendums in the occupied Luhansk and Donetsk regions so the new republics can be formerly made part of Russia. So soon after finding their independence, gosh that was fast. :rolleyes:
All geared toward yet more, 'you're attack Russia proper now, stop or we'll do something about it!'

The gall of them is pretty astonishing tbh.
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I heard those elections were cancelled after the successful counteroffensive?
 
Tephnos said:
I heard those elections were cancelled after the successful counteroffensive?
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Not elections this time:

ISW: Russian proxies' urgent calls to join Russia causing panic.

The Institute for the Study of War said Russian proxies' calls to immediately annex Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts "is panicking proxy forces and some Kremlin decision-makers."
 
The Kremlin knows that if they're not willing to follow through on using strategic weapons for these currently not 100% captured regions per their doctrine then there is absolutely zero chance that Ukraine would ever settle without Crimea and it brings a huge question mark on whether they'd ever use it when attacked which is a big part of their negotiation strategy thrown right of the window. It also fundamentally delegitimises their claims without full control over these regions.

Plus currently they're able to press gang whoever they want in these regions without any legal issues (not that it matters, but there is at least a pretense of legality in Russia), if they were officially recognised as Russian land it would immediately force the Kremlin into an uncomfortable position increasingly out of their control which is anathema for the intelligence officers that run everything.
 
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Turkey making very unhelpful noises right now.

'Turkey's Erdogan: Russia's Putin willing to end war.'

The Turkish leader indicated things were "quite problematic" for Russia.

Mr Erdogan said he held "very extensive discussions" with Mr Putin at a summit in Uzbekistan last week.

In an interview with US broadcaster PBS, the Turkish leader said he gained the impression that the Russian president wanted a speedy end to the war.

"He is actually showing me that he's willing to end this as soon as possible," Mr Erdogan said. "That was my impression, because the way things are going right now are quite problematic."
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I advise Erdogan to avoid windows, and refrain from drinking tea.
 
Erdogan will do what he will always do, try and profit from both sides of the fighting.

The only way the fighting ends is with the withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine, which Zelensky has made clear, I don't blame him, any ceasefire just gives Russia time to re-focus and spend more time training etc.
 
HungryHippos said:
Erdogan will do what he will always do, try and profit from both sides of the fighting.

The only way the fighting ends is with the withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine, which Zelensky has made clear, I don't blame him, any ceasefire just gives Russia time to re-focus and spend more time training etc.
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any ground ukraine gives to Russia will only mean they'll be back from more later. I agree with Zelensky, out or we continue.. this will drag out for a long time. To be real, Russia is not going to back down, the only way they'll get out is if they're pushed out.
 
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