What to do in Leicester? Visiting over the bank holiday

LabR@t · 19 Sep 2022 at 10:10

Begbie said:
Multicultural country or a Muslim country?

Probably in pane of death, were the women allowed out alone?

lunar · 19 Sep 2022 at 14:17

skyripper said:
I've just come back from a Muslim country, not once did I see trouble, feel threatened or think to myself I'd rather be somewhere else.

All these people mentioned above are not representative of the millions of followers of Islam.

Stop fuelling the racist media fervour and see it for what it is, idiots and misguided outliers.

You did not mention which Muslim country. Why not?

BUDFORCE · 19 Sep 2022 at 15:31

You only have to look at any city in this country with a high ethnic population......

GGizmo · 19 Sep 2022 at 17:34

The police are losing control of the streets.

Leicester disorder: Police injured tackling 'significant aggression'

Sixteen police officers and a police dog were hurt as they faced "significant aggression".

www.bbc.co.uk

I think the emphasis on having highly educated people being police officers as meant that they aren't the type of people to have a physical presence on the streets. Nobody is intimidated by the police these days.

Tony Edwards · 19 Sep 2022 at 18:23

BowdonUK said:
The police are losing control of the streets.

Leicester disorder: Police injured tackling 'significant aggression'

Sixteen police officers and a police dog were hurt as they faced "significant aggression".

www.bbc.co.uk

I think the emphasis on having highly educated people being police officers as meant that they aren't the type of people to have a physical presence on the streets. Nobody is intimidated by the police these days.

How many police were injured at the womens rally in clapham?

ANDREW GREEN · 19 Sep 2022 at 18:47

BowdonUK said:
The police are losing control of the streets.

Leicester disorder: Police injured tackling 'significant aggression'

Sixteen police officers and a police dog were hurt as they faced "significant aggression".

www.bbc.co.uk

I think the emphasis on having highly educated people being police officers as meant that they aren't the type of people to have a physical presence on the streets. Nobody is intimidated by the police these days.

Nah that's ****** I've been arrested by a wall thumping bodybuilder who couldn't explain with words why he was arresting me.

GGizmo · 19 Sep 2022 at 20:42

Tony Edwards said:
How many police were injured at the womens rally in clapham?

Was this the Sarah Everard vigil? I remember at that one the male officers was rough with them and it outraged some of the female MP's about the way it was handled.

Richie · 19 Sep 2022 at 20:47

They weren't following a lawful direction to disperse under COVID laws at the time....you ask, then you tell, then you make.

Also - was it just male officers deployed? Highly unlikely. Were the female officers also moving them on in the same manner? If not, why not and, if they were, why wasn't this shown do you think?

dowie · 19 Sep 2022 at 21:33

BowdonUK said:
The police are losing control of the streets.

Leicester disorder: Police injured tackling 'significant aggression'

Sixteen police officers and a police dog were hurt as they faced "significant aggression".

www.bbc.co.uk

I think the emphasis on having highly educated people being police officers as meant that they aren't the type of people to have a physical presence on the streets. Nobody is intimidated by the police these days.

It's crazy, you see footage of some EDL/far-right march today and it's going to get nowhere near those sorts of crowds participating, perhaps those sorts of numbers opposing it mind. Yet there's footage of large crowds of far-right Islamist types outside a Hindu temple, kicking off at police, some guy in a hoody ripping down a Hindu flag etc.

cheesefest · 20 Sep 2022 at 07:48

Non white ethnic groups are racist towards other non white groups as well as whites.

As I had a Muslim colleague bullying the Hindus. Plus in another workplace, a Hindu kept on winding up a Muslim
during Ramadan by offering him food.

Plus had 1st gen Asians kicking off with myself and white colleagues. When dealt with a non white colleague, they are more civilised.

GGizmo · 20 Sep 2022 at 10:56

cheesefest said:
Non white ethnic groups are racist towards other non white groups as well as whites.

As I had a Muslim colleague bullying the Hindus. Plus in another workplace, a Hindu kept on winding up a Muslim
during Ramadan by offering him food.

Plus had 1st gen Asians kicking off with myself and white colleagues. When dealt with a non white colleague, they are more civilised.

The liberal minds can't handle 2 ethnic minority groups fighting. It's all BAME to them.

I've noticed race as become so touchy these days that the police won't name the race, or religion, of a suspect. They put being politically correct over catching criminals. They haven't learned anything from the grooming gangs situation.

Craterloads · 20 Sep 2022 at 11:14

Appears it was started by Hindu mobs who ended up beating up Sikh man in a Muslim ran takeaway.

Following last night’s intimidating and provocative march by balaclava-wearing, hindutva-inspired, youth on the streets of Leicester, that has tarnished a diverse & cohesive community, MEND urges the police to initiate action with a consultative and community focused approach aimed at putting an end to these tensions.

Last night’s hindutva-inspired march is the latest in a list of provocation and harassment which the Muslim community has endured. The Muslim community has been meeting regularly with police and Leicester’s Civic Leadership to deal with the issues. The tensions have been simmering since an alleged hindutva-inspired mob attacked a young muslim 3 months ago, but dramatically erupted over 2 weeks ago, after Indian cricket “fans” celebrated a win with anti-Pakistan chanting and violence. This violence included an attack on a member of the Sikh community, who had to take refuge in a Muslim owned takeaway. These incidents were subsequently followed by another attack on a young man by 30 plus suspected hinduvata-inspired youth and this resulted in reciprocal violence. MEND calls on the police to use all necessary powers to find those responsible for both organising and carrying out this disorder.

Over the weekend, a chant that has become synonymous with anti-Muslim violence in India – “Jai Shri Ram”, which translates from Hindi to “hail Lord Ram” or “victory to Lord Ram” – was heard in the streets. In circulated videos, a group of Hindu men were filmed marching past Green Lane Road, dotted with several Muslim-owned businesses and a Hindu temple nearby

And seems they were chanting the same rhetoric used by Hindu mobs in India when they are out for blood.

Then attacking our police with glass bottles

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571223601495277569

GGizmo · 20 Sep 2022 at 23:01

It's now spread to Birmingham.

geekman · 20 Sep 2022 at 23:48

skyripper said:
I've just come back from a Muslim country, not once did I see trouble, feel threatened or think to myself I'd rather be somewhere else.

All these people mentioned above are not representative of the millions of followers of Islam.

Stop fuelling the racist media fervour and see it for what it is, idiots and misguided outliers.

Last time I was in a Muslim country I didn't have any problems either. My wife on the other hand hated it due to the constant comments, gestures, etc. A fairly significant proportion of them are animals unfortunately, although you can say that about many people who base their entire lives on an interpretation of a very old book.

Chris Wilson · 20 Sep 2022 at 23:57

BowdonUK said:
It's now spread to Birmingham.

I am sad to see I was right in post #25. Manchester and London on the cards next

The situation needs the troops bringing in, they're already burning buildings.

I have less than zero faith in the front line police being willing or allowed to do the necessary. The proper Chief Constables, like Manchester's James Anderton were efectively castrated years ago.

Hagar · 21 Sep 2022 at 08:53

Chris Wilson said:
I am sad to see I was right in post #25. Manchester and London on the cards next The situation needs the troops bringing in, they're already burning buildings.

I have less than zero faith in the front line police being willing or allowed to do the necessary. The proper Chief Constables, like Manchester's James Anderton were efectively castrated years ago.

MI5 and special branch should have been all over this and I hope they are. Imported battles from the Indian subcontinent over Facebook is not what we need. Dual nationals should be deported if convicted of any antisocial behaviours.

BUDFORCE · 21 Sep 2022 at 09:00

BowdonUK said:
It's now spread to Birmingham.

I mean, to be fair.......

Paracelsus · 21 Sep 2022 at 10:27

Craterloads said:
Appears it was started by Hindu mobs who ended up beating up Sikh man in a Muslim ran takeaway.

I don't think MEND can be trusted to be impartial on the cause - those kind of orgs tend to read heavily from the victim playbook.

That said, the extremist Hindus can be pretty wild, it may well be true they started it. I didn't think we had many in the UK tbh.
I've spent a lot of time in India, and while I had no trouble from anyone, I was always acutely aware that if I bought some beef somewhere and was seen with it in public, I had a non-zero chance of being beated to death by a baying mob.
Also, with my girlfriend being Arabic there was always a concern that her looks or name would attract the wrong kind of attention, because there'd been a few beating-to-deaths of Muslims in the news at the time.

As much as I'd like to wholly blame religion for this kind of thing, it's not just that causing issues like this. Pakistan and India hating each other aside, it's the concentration and lack of integration of these communities. Like in other parts of the country, I imagine they almost exclusively live in self-segregated areas. Which not only supports a tribal 'our area' mentality but also easily enables large mobs to gather. Would either side kick off like this if they had to travel in small groups from locations dispersed throughout the UK? I imagine not. If you look at the Cineworld protests for example, that was pretty much just local people.

That's not to say it's anyone else's fault - I don't think most of these people want to integrate. They have their own culture, a lot of which is at odds with liberal Western culture, and want to keep it that way.

Django x2 · 21 Sep 2022 at 11:10

skyripper said:
I've just come back from a Muslim country, not once did I see trouble, feel threatened or think to myself I'd rather be somewhere else.

All these people mentioned above are not representative of the millions of followers of Islam.

Stop fuelling the racist media fervour and see it for what it is, idiots and misguided outliers.

What you fail to mention, or possibly notice, is that the behaviour of these groups, in their native countries, would not be tolerated for one second.

Terminal_Boy · 21 Sep 2022 at 11:17

Django x2 said:
What you fail to mention, or possibly notice, is that the behaviour of these groups, in their native countries, would not be tolerated for one second.

Can you imagine the local police’s response if street fights between different groups of non-Muslim foreigners kicked off in Jeddah or Riyad?

It would make the French CRS look like the Teletubbies.