Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Firestar_3x]

Ukraine isn't the lesser opponent here.

This is the power of caring about one's own troops, genuinely caring about their country's future rather than it's past, investment in people rather than resource extraction, valuing the initiative of the individual soldier, not letting every major battlefield decision be decided by a head of state with zero knowledge of whats actually happening, help from dozens of allies...

On paper at the start of this conflict Russia had everything going for it as the ~2nd largest military in the world, massing of troops, mobilization of men, equipment, everything.

But yes Ukraine has a reason to fight and it seems like the people of Russia really don't.

 

[Efour]

Are you saying that it is okay to occupy the land?
I express no emotions towards them either. They are in the wrong. If they don't want to be in a black bag then gtfo.

You're a nutjob. Good thing it's just internet bravado.
Do any of these 300k new wave conscript troops earn the same ire?
War is ****. Russia is ****.
Just defect,/ surrender and and get shot or go AWOL get shot. It's a complete **** show.

 

[Harlequin]

Not sure those 300,000 troops will fare well

The Russians Spent Months Forming A New Army Corps. It Lasted Days in Ukraine

The 3rd Army Corps on paper is a powerful force, but it’s a hollow formation, full of old, unfit volunteers including drug and alcohol addicts. And when its vanguard rushed to Kharkiv Oblast last week in a desperate bid to block a Ukrainian counteroffensive, the corps just ... melted away.

www.forbes.com

 

[Haggisman]

I don't feel sorry for them after all the horror they're doing in Ukraine. After seeing the children they kill, when they've crossed the border I enjoy seeing those who don't surrender blow up.

If you think the 40 year old office workers being rounded up against their will to do Putin's dirty work are in any way responsible for the horrors inflicted by Russian troops in Ukraine, then you'd better go hand yourself into the nearest police station, since by that logic, you must be responsible for the rapes and murders committed by British troops in the Middle East during the "war on terror".

What a stupid and illogical point of view to hold.

 

[Efour]

Yeah 300k garbage soldiers who may not want to be there Vs someone fighting for their family, country and lively hood. Even if 50% are capable....

They probably recruiting from the Mongol side of Russia. Bit of adventure, kill people instead of yaks. Chance of food...

Sod those odds.

 

[Chris Wilson]

As this situation appears to be escalating rapidly, with Russia drafting hundreds of thousands of men to the military, how long should countries like the UK sit back before commencing our own compulsory military service in order not to be wrong footed?

Should countries opposed to Russia's invasion not be preparing now, rather than them wasting time with fingers crossed that it won't escalate to even further intervention or defence, by, or from the West suddenly being needed?

 

[Stretch]

You're a nutjob. Good thing it's just internet bravado.
Do any of these 300k new wave conscript troops earn the same ire?
War is ****. Russia is ****.
Just defect,/ surrender and and get shot or go AWOL get shot. It's a complete **** show.

We should setup up a very generous defector protocol.

 

[StriderX]

If you think the 40 year old office workers being rounded up against their will to do Putin's dirty work are in any way responsible for the horrors inflicted by Russian troops in Ukraine, then you'd better go hand yourself into the nearest police station, since by that logic, you must be responsible for the rapes and murders committed by British troops in the Middle East during the "war on terror".

What a stupid and illogical point of view to hold.

I think a pertinent point to make here is that this misbehavior is a feature in the Russian military and also happens to be a feature in their prisons as well which has been an ongoing issue likely for as long as Russia has existed in any form. As a result one must assume the government condones it and at some point after many decades regardless of the 'non-political' nature of many Russians... the responsibility for the state of their country increasingly is borne by them surely? Not knowing is not an excuse that lasts very long when it's clear they know what's happening if some are eager to avoid the consequences and silence in that circumstance is very close to complicity in the terror their government is partaking upon others in their name.

 

[Hook]

I can’t judge them so easily. The criminals should be punished - but I feel for those who didn’t choose to be there, or were duped.
You only need to look stateside to see how effective propaganda can be - and how easily people are manipulated; it must be magnitudes worse in a country such as Russia.
Some of the video of the conscripts being forced onto buses while their families weep is depressing.
Just another crime committed by Putin and his cronies.

You’ve seen those two soldiers in the video being discussed kill children?
No. Think about what you’re saying, it’s a very dangerous way of thinking.

If you think the 40 year old office workers being rounded up against their will to do Putin's dirty work are in any way responsible for the horrors inflicted by Russian troops in Ukraine, then you'd better go hand yourself into the nearest police station, since by that logic, you must be responsible for the rapes and murders committed by British troops in the Middle East during the "war on terror".

What a stupid and illogical point of view to hold.

No, Just my emotion the exact moment they where hit fighting against Ukraine. (It happended after seeing the first dead child of the war, not watching any civilian terrors after that one)
No judging or thinking or point of view.

 

[HungryHippos]

I agree that the "us versus them" mentality really needs to go in the bin. It's exactly the methods used by Putin to coerce his country into supporting the invasion. Especially for the forced conscription now taking place, those soldiers really don't want to be on the frontline.

Our own soldiers displayed inhumane acts during the Afgan and Iraq wars, that doesn't mean we paint the entire UK army as rapists and torturers. We punish those responsible for the crimes, not the remaining unwilling combatants.

In the main I agree with you, but I will counter a little here by saying that, in general, Russian troops seem more inclined to indulge in war crimes than average.

The mass graves in Izium and Bucha point to this kind of behaviour being planned rather than ad-hoc rogue units.

I wouldn't tar all of the Russian troops with the same brush, but by being in Ukraine they risk being killed with no formal notice or warning in quite horrible ways.

Ultimately the Russian command wants this, so the situation will remain as it is, maybe even getting worse as fresh green troops arrive under-equipped and under-trained.

 

[CaneyJ]

As this situation appears to be escalating rapidly, with Russia drafting hundreds of thousands of men to the military, how long should countries like the UK sit back before commencing our own compulsory military service in order not to be wrong footed? Should countries opposed to Russia's invasion not be preparing now, rather than them wasting time with fingers crossed that it won't escalate to even further intervention or defence, by, or from the West suddenly being needed?

They are going to get rolled. Many aren't fit, and will be given 2 weeks training and a bolt action rifle as that's all that can be trained up on in that time to hold the line. They won't be given appropriate clothing and as was the case in Febuary they will suffer large losses just sitting there from frost bite. All we have to do is sit back and pay a bit more in taxes on food, fuel and defence and it will be water breaking against a cliff at this point. The Ukranians are ready. Just got to keep sending equipment and ammo.

 

[Firestar_3x]

As this situation appears to be escalating rapidly, with Russia drafting hundreds of thousands of men to the military, how long should countries like the UK sit back before commencing our own compulsory military service in order not to be wrong footed?

Should countries opposed to Russia's invasion not be preparing now, rather than them wasting time with fingers crossed that it won't escalate to even further intervention or defence, by, or from the West suddenly being needed?

I image ICBMs will be flying before we need to worry about compulsory military service in the UK.

 

[Craterloads]

The land becomes useless what is the point?

I doubt he cares much what the land looks like west of of the dnieper.

 

[CaneyJ]

Here's another thing. Winter is going to suuuuuck for those Russian newbies.

Those Taiwanese heavy mortar carrying drones will be flying soon on the Ukranian side.

The Russians will need to light fires to stay alive at night and those drones have thermal cameras to find them huddled under leafless trees.

Those future drone-drop videos are going to get very messy.

 

[ci_newman]

As this situation appears to be escalating rapidly, with Russia drafting hundreds of thousands of men to the military, how long should countries like the UK sit back before commencing our own compulsory military service in order not to be wrong footed?

Should countries opposed to Russia's invasion not be preparing now, rather than them wasting time with fingers crossed that it won't escalate to even further intervention or defence, by, or from the West suddenly being needed?

That was the entire purpose of NATO. As a combined fighting force, NATO contains over 3.5million trained personnel. If Putin decided to throw his forced conscripts towards any NATO member, it would be a meat grinder.

 

[Twinz]

Invading troops need to leave, surrender, or be killed.

Empathy for troops that were forced to invade is fine, but it doesn't change what should happen to them once they are part of the invading force.

 

[Hades]

As this situation appears to be escalating rapidly, with Russia drafting hundreds of thousands of men to the military, how long should countries like the UK sit back before commencing our own compulsory military service in order not to be wrong footed?

Should countries opposed to Russia's invasion not be preparing now, rather than them wasting time with fingers crossed that it won't escalate to even further intervention or defence, by, or from the West suddenly being needed?

We should certainly be replenishing the stocks we have sent Ukraine and stepping up all areas of arms production just in case.

 

[Haggisman]

In the main I agree with you, but I will counter a little here by saying that, in general, Russian troops seem more inclined to indulge in war crimes than average.

The mass graves in Izium and Bucha point to this kind of behaviour being planned rather than ad-hoc rogue units.

I wouldn't tar all of the Russian troops with the same brush, but by being in Ukraine they risk being killed with no formal notice or warning in quite horrible ways.

Ultimately the Russian command wants this, so the situation will remain as it is, maybe even getting worse as fresh green troops arrive under-equipped and under-trained.

You're forgetting that these aren't Russian troops. They're office workers. Do you not think that maybe an army with a reputation for getting away with/ignoring certain behaviours might not attract people who are inclined to those certain behaviours?

I think a pertinent point to make here is that this misbehavior is a feature in the Russian military and also happens to be a feature in their prisons as well which has been an ongoing issue likely for as long as Russia has existed in any form. As a result one must assume the government condones it and at some point after many decades regardless of the 'non-political' nature of many Russians... the responsibility for the state of their country increasingly is borne by them surely? Not knowing is not an excuse that lasts very long when it's clear they know what's happening if some are eager to avoid the consequences and silence in that circumstance is very close to complicity in the terror their government is partaking upon others in their name.

I'm not sure the average Russian has much say in their government, given their reputation for fixed elections

It's easy to say they should protest against it, safe in the UK, where it's unlikely to have any consequences, and worst case scenario you get arrested and a slap on the wrist. If I was in their position then I'm not sure I'd want to stick my neck out to speak against the government either, given the chances of "disappearing" or having an unfortunate "accident".

No judging or thinking or point of view.

Yeah, your post made that pretty evident to be honest

 

[HungryHippos]

You're forgetting that these aren't Russian troops. They're office workers

I'm talking about the Russian troops currently in Ukraine not the new hires not yet arrived mostly.

 

[D.P.]

Agreed, it's disappointing to see so much flippancy against them in this thread. Yes they might be "the enemy", but ultimately they're just regular guys like 90% of people on this forum who have had the misfortune to be born into a country led by a lunatic with small man syndrome.

And they have been subjected to a lifetime of propaganda , so even if they genuinely believe in the cause you can't blame them.