Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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I really think a list of a million is probably what you need if you want to get 300k - I can imagine they won't find a large percentage of the list, some will be unfit, some will have an excuse or have a bribe. I woukld be interested to know how many they actually get out of whatever list they have.I don't think so no, sometimes news is just too good to be true. Doesn't change the fact that they are almost certainly still aiming for several hundred K conscripts though, and they could unofficially make it more, you'd never really know.
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Fair enough, 2 conversations going on and me getting my wires crossed
My hope is that Ukraine can boot Russia our before they even have time to attempt to train these conscripts.
It's not impossible if the northern front crumbles even more!
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Using the old 3:1 ratio, that means the Russians must have suffered 150,000+ wounded. It’s worth noting that the widespread issue of body armour, highly trained combat medics and medivac helicopters amongst US and U.K. forces in Afghanistan raised this ratio to above 10:1 as soldiers stood a far better chance of surviving battlefield wounds.Here is the estimated Russian losses as of today.
Seeing how poorly equipped the Russian forces in Ukraine are, I suspect that the medical support they have isn’t much better than seen in the Red Army of WW2.
Consider the position of a Russian soldier, he has been bombarded with information from his Government that the Ukrainians are Nazi's and NATO wants to invade his country. As far as he knows, surrender isn't an option as he will just be executed. Even if he didn't want to fight, a single soldier can't walk towards an enemy position - he'll be gunned down before he gets anywhere near it. Surrender needs to be entire platoons or squads and handled as one unit. If you were in a Russian group, would you openly talk about surrender with the risk of receiving a bullet from your neighbour (either the enemy or your fellow soldiers)?
I do not agree with their actions, but individual soldiers are still only human with their own pressures driving them forwards and we shouldn't forget that (not least the risk of their family being persecuted if they do defect).
Put yourself in the position of some of those young boys conscripted directly from school yesterday. You are given a rifle, put on the front line and told to fight or be executed for refusing to follow orders. What would you do? You're in a squad of men, you can't openly just walk away and surrender to the enemy.
and this is why we had the Holocaust. The dehumanisation of the enemies. When you think this way, you are no better than those committing such atrocities
Does Putin have patience to train them now? I think many are shipped straight to the frontline.
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Some of them will meet their father on the bus as well..
I feel no anger towards them nor sympathy.
They choose to come to a foreign land. With a rifle!!!! Are you with me? You need to dig deeper rather than scrubbing by the surface. There will be many casualties as those who come will be met with fierce resistance. There will be more than 300k conscripts and much more. They will have no training or very minimal as few days. Their supply chain is also ****. Their "government" are pathological liars and always have been. And you tell me they are scared to go to prison but would rather be killed. They think this is going to end quick, but it will not. They choose to fight rather than live, but they don't know yet what is waiting for them. You have only one life...
What? I think it is quite normal that what i saw brought a tear to my eye. It was horrific.
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Leave , surrender, or be killed. Those are the options.
It's not the defending army's job to become social workers, sit down with each of the invading soldiers, and ask about the socioeconomic circumstances that brought them there.
If the invading soldier's own army threatens death for leaving or surrendering, that's on the invading soldier's army.
It doesn't change the defending army's job.
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Who can say? empirical evidence would suggest that the most they'll get is incredibly basic training, far less than they would really need. At least this outcome is good for Ukraine.
I never implied that the Ukrainian army should act differently than they are, but as a civilised nation we shouldn't dehumanise the Russian conscripts either. They most certainly *don't* want to be there (otherwise they would have joined the army in the first place). For many of them, the choice will be fight or face being executed by their own army. There is no leave or surrender option for the soldiers on the front line. Either fire at your enemy or fire at your Russian peers, those are their only options.
In most cases many of them have already done 1 years compulsary service - the basic training will likely just be a "refresher".
Possibly not in a fighting role. Guarding Russias huge borders probably.
A dilemma militarily - do they chuck them in piecemeal to try and hold the currently occupied positions or hold them back to train and use as a cohesive army when conditions are right.
I guess one possibility might be to use them to free up more experienced soldiers and equipment currently committed to other duties.
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Where do you get this information from? Are you illiterate? Do you need to be pointed in the right direction?
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022...or-military-surrender-refusal-to-serve-a78843
If one of the battlefield hospitals I've seen is anything to go by I think 3:1 is incredibly optimistic, certainly if they're wounded... they're very wounded mostly because of what appears to be 19th century triage.
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