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SPG said:
It's easier for the Russians they can dig in and wait out the winter months somewhat.

Totally senseless war :( Putin will go down in History as fool.
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I actually disagree with this, Ukraine will still have HIMARS hammering away, they also have a smaller army (easier to re-supply, and more importantly give everyone some decent winter gear).

Russia on the other hand relies on zerg numbers, they will really struggle to give them decent winter kit, and they can't counter the ongoing HIMARS that will blow up concentrations of Russian troops, who inevitably will all flock to central places for heating reasons.
 
Washout said:
Wasn’t it a pipeline they shut down, giving some excuse, but largely seen as punishment for western backing of Ukraine.
I don’t know the ins and out but I’d imagine the Russian gas suppliers would be wracking up penalties for not supplying said gas. Unless of course something were to happen to it…

Oh, I’m shocked I tells ya, shocked.

Edit: I just don’t see a Biden administration taking such a blatant provocative action that’s essentially an act of war. They downsides would massively outweigh whatever benefits you might imagine they’d get. New pipeline can be laid, their administration would be ousted in next elections and huge fractures in a pretty unified western response would form overnight.
Who has more to gain from all of that. Combined with the absolute ramshackle call up in Russia just shows how desperate Putin is now. They’ve lost the war.

Only worry is the nuke card, how would the west respond to small nukes being used in Ukraine. I hope very very harshly, as in immediate conventional strikes on wherever they came from and no fly zone with ultimatum to get out.
It’ll be brinkmanship but Russia can’t nuke western forces without dooming their country. It also gives Putin his exit, see, we were fighting the whole west all this time. Even though he wasn’t, some artillery, manpads and ammunition doesn’t even scratch the surface of what could be provided.
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If he even has nukes. Based on their current equipment would be interested to know what is even in operation. West should have just all grown some balls and steam rolled Russia months ago.
 
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UKRAINE FORMALLY SUBMITS APPLICATION FOR NATO MEMBERSHIP - ZELENSKIY'S TELEGRAM

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UKRAINE IS READY FOR NEGOTIATIONS WITH RUSSIA, BUT WITH A DIFFERENT RUSSIAN PRESIDENT- ZELENSKIY
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If Mr. Putin were to say the situation has changed from a Special Operation to Russia officially being at war with Ukraine, isn't there a ban on a country actively at war joining NATO?
 
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Simmz said:
If he even has nukes. Based on their current equipment would be interested to know what is even in operation. West should have just all grown some balls and steam rolled Russia months ago.
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Russia definitely has nuclear weapons, and lots of them.

If they didn't, they would already be formally at war with the USA.
 
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Simmz said:
If he even has nukes. Based on their current equipment would be interested to know what is even in operation. West should have just all grown some balls and steam rolled Russia months ago
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No because we would be dead. Russia is untouchable due to very very big bombs.
 
*seven said:
UKRAINE FORMALLY SUBMITS APPLICATION FOR NATO MEMBERSHIP - ZELENSKIY'S TELEGRAM

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UKRAINE IS READY FOR NEGOTIATIONS WITH RUSSIA, BUT WITH A DIFFERENT RUSSIAN PRESIDENT- ZELENSKIY
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Surely this NATO application would be rejected as a currently non-stable nation right?
 
UK & U.S. introduces new sanctions on Russia.

UK FOREIGN OFFICE: UK TO IMPLEMENT SERVICES SANCTIONS AND EXPORT BAN THAT TARGET RUSSIAN ECONOMIC VULNERABILITIES IN RESPONSE TO PUTIN’S ILLEGAL ANNEXATION OF UKRAINIAN

UK FOREIGN OFFICE: RUSSIA WILL LOSE ACCESS TO MAJOR WESTERN SERVICES THAT RUSSIA DEPENDS ON, INCLUDING: IT CONSULTANCY, ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES, ENGINEERING SERVICES, AND TRANSACTIONAL LEGAL ADVISORY SERVICES FOR CERTAIN COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY

UK FOREIGN OFFICE: UK ALSO BANS THE EXPORT OF NEARLY 700 GOODS THAT ARE CRUCIAL TO RUSSIA’S INDUSTRIAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL CAPABILITIES

U.S. SAYS IT IS IMPOSING "SWIFT AND SEVERE COSTS" ON RUSSIA OVER ITS ANNEXATION OF REGION OF UKRAINE -TREASURY STATEMENT

U.S. IMPOSES SANCTIONS ON 278 MEMBERS OF RUSSIA'S LEGISLATURE FOR ENABLING RUSSIA'S 'SHAM' REFERENDUMS AND ATTEMPT TO ANNEX UKRAINIAN TERRITORY -STATEMENT

U.S. IMPOSES SANCTIONS ON 14 MEMBERS OF RUSSIA'S MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, INCLUDING TWO INTERNATIONAL SUPPLIERS FOR SUPPORTING RUSSIA'S MILITARY SUPPLY CHAINS

U.S. IMPOSES SANCTIONS ON TWO LEADERS OF RUSSIAN CENTRAL BANK AND RELATIVES OF RUSSIA'S NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING WIFE AND CHILDREN OF PRIME MINISTER MISHUSTIN

U.S. ISSUES GUIDANCE ON HEIGHTENED SANCTIONS RISK FOR SUPPORT OF RUSSIA AS RESULT OF 'SHAM' REFERENDUMS -STATEMENT

U.S. WARNS THERE WILL BE COSTS TO ANY INDIVIDUAL, ENTITY OR COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES POLITICAL OR ECONOMIC SUPPORT TO RUSSIA RESULTING FROM ANNEXATION OF UKRAINE TERRITORY

U.S. WARNS RUSSIA EXPORT CONTROLS CAN BE APPLIED TO OTHER COUNTRIES THAT REPLENISH RUSSIAN MILITARY AND INDUSTRIAL SUPPLIES

U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE BLINKEN SAYS US UNEQUIVOCALLY REJECTS RUSSIA'S 'FRAUDULENT ATTEMPT TO CHANGE UKRAINE'S INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS"

BLINKEN SAYS STATE DEPARTMENT IMPOSING VISA RESTRICTIONS ON 910 PEOPLE INCLUDING MEMBERS OF RUSSIA'S MILITARY, BELARUS MILITARY OFFICIALS AND RUSSIA'S PROXIES OVER ANNEXATION MOVE

U.S. COMMERCE DEPARTMENT TO ADD 57 ENTITIES IN RUSSIA AND CRIMEA TO ITS TRADE BLACKLIST FOR SUPPORT THE RUSSIAN MILITARY ASSAULT ON UKRAINE
 
cu3ed said:
Didnt Ukraine initially have the upper hand when they had a warm winter and the fields where mud? Remember Russians getting bogged down in mud, having to stick to open easily targeted roads etc.
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It was really odd that Russia had the choice of when to start hostilities and then did it at the time that most restricted their freedom of manouvere. This greatly helped the defenders who could defend choke points on key main supply routes without having to dilute themselves over wide open areas of the front.

This gave Ukraine some early sucess that then encouraged the west to help once it became clear defeat wasn't inevitable.

I do expect Ukraine to survive the winter better, they have the better soldiers and they now have enough to rotate their frontline units and rest men in the rear. Russian conscripts might find themselves freezing and unsupplied.
 
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I_M_Weasel said:
It was really odd that Russia had the choice of when to start hostilities and then did it at the time that most restricted their freedom of manouvere. This greatly helped the defenders who could defend choke points on key main supply routes without having to dilute themselves over wide open areas of the front.

This gave Ukraine some early sucess that then encouraged the west to help once it became clear defeat wasn't inevitable.

I do expect Ukraine to survive the winter better, they have the better soldiers and they now have enough to rotate their frontline units and rest men in the rear. Russian conscripts might find themselves freezing and unsupplied.
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I do forget the sometimes hidden resource that UK and US Soldiers are actively training large groups at a time.
 
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Firestar_3x said:
Good luck, Ukraine have already declared they are not prepared give any land, including Crimea, to Russia.
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But is that really the case - surely in any negotion you start with both sides having a position that isn't really what they think they will get - the reality is somewhere in between what the two sides want.

I wonder if something like all Ukraine back less crimea - but recognition that crimea is Ukraine but leased to Russia for 100 years would work for both sides.

I don't think the above is really fair, but realistically might be something achievable without years of destructive war.
 
Canada introduces new sanctions on Russia.
CANADA IS IMPOSING MEASURES ON 43 RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS, FINANCIAL ELITES AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS -STATEMENT

CANADA ALSO IMPOSING MEASURES ON SO-CALLED GOVERNING BODY IN KHERSON; AND 35 RUSSIA-BACKED SENIOR OFFICIALS IN DONETSK, LUHANSK, KHERSON AND ZAPORIZHZHIA -STATEMENT

CANADA SAYS "THESE INDIVIDUALS AND ENTITY ARE COMPLICIT IN PRESIDENT PUTIN’S DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO UNDERMINE THE PRINCIPLES OF STATE SOVEREIGNTY"
 
I_M_Weasel said:
But is that really the case - surely in any negotion you start with both sides having a position that isn't really what they think they will get - the reality is somewhere in between what the two sides want.

I wonder if something like all Ukraine back less crimea - but recognition that crimea is Ukraine but leased to Russia for 100 years would work for both sides.

I don't think the above is really fair, but realistically might be something achievable without years of destructive war.
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Like Hong Kong was agreed upon for 50?

Nobody is going to trust anything like that now.
 
I_M_Weasel said:
It was really odd that Russia had the choice of when to start hostilities and then did it at the time that most restricted their freedom of manouvere. This greatly helped the defenders who could defend choke points on key main supply routes without having to dilute themselves over wide open areas of the front.

This gave Ukraine some early sucess that then encouraged the west to help once it became clear defeat wasn't inevitable.

I do expect Ukraine to survive the winter better, they have the better soldiers and they now have enough to rotate their frontline units and rest men in the rear. Russian conscripts might find themselves freezing and unsupplied.
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Russia's biggest mistake was assuming their armed forces and security services were competent.

Their next big mistake was assuming Ukraine's weren't.
 
StriderX said:
They aren't untouchable at all, we're just waiting for the right moment.
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The West sound pretty confident in their ability to conventionally strike Russia if they use a nuke in Ukraine, so they obviously believe they can neutralise the nuclear threat because otherwise a conventional strike in Russia that doesn't neutralise the nuclear threat makes that threat very real
 
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