It equates to a 'fine' of ~$45-50m based on loss of prize money, sure they can afford it but I think they'd give a damn about that much...
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It equates to a 'fine' of ~$45-50m based on loss of prize money, sure they can afford it but I think they'd give a damn about that much...
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I meant they wouldn't give a damn about their position in the record books. Obviously $45-50m isn't nothing, but they'd happily pay that to win a drivers championship.
Incorrect. The teams care about the constructors more, by far. However the driver’s championship is considered the “prestigious” one to win, as obviously the driver is the main focus for most viewers throughout the season, as it’s who the masses around the world associate to teams etc.
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Not really. Who honestly remembers who wins the constructors championships. The glory is in the drivers championship and always has been.
EDIT: Understand the point above about the constructors but as far as TV money/sponsorship etc. it's directly related to the performance of the driver, so the monetary value of winning the constructors might be more... but it's probably nothing compared to what a world champion driver would bring in.
lol. It's a massive grey area... Who knows apart from RB where the money was spent. Was it in '21 to attempt to win that championship? Was it in testing for '22 onwards? Did they consciously overspend on '22 testing so that they can dominate this year and going forward? These questions have to be asked. Unfortunately RB have shot themselves in the foot and put yet another asterix against their championship.Obviously though since it's Red Bull, nothing less than full disqualification from both the WDC and WCC from 2021-2025 will be enough for you.
Exactly. You could get all manner of cheating if the driver/athlete just pleaded ignorance. It's a nonsense argument.
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Agreed they wouldn't care about position in WCC, especially as it wasn't even a win, the disqualification there was really just for the financial hit (plus some extra 'we disqualified them!' type statements).
I personally think a drivers championship points deduction/change would be great, and very much deserved, I just feel the FIA are going to want to not make such a visible change so to speak.
Red Bull's budget was around $445m in 2020, now not everything falls under the cap so it won't be the full $300m that it has dropped, but I think it's safe to say that they can comfortably absorb a mere $45-50m.
Not RBR though: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...-constructors-cash-for-drivers-crown/6977710/
RBR have been known on multiple occasions to not really care about the WCC and focus on winning the WDC as for them, at least in addition to the above, it will still generate a sizeable income through increased sales and sponsorship that come with a marketable poster boy.
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The highest paid employees aren't included anyway.
I saw that too. Not sure how wages are handled in this whole thing though.. in my mind that x amount would come off the budget as a whole still? Unless contractors are treated differently in the budget cap? What a mess.
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That's true, but then by taking Newey's salary out of that they can add another high paid team member to be included in the 3 allowed.
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I'm pretty sure that the cap includes contractors anyway, so they won't have been able to dodge it like that, and would just end up not getting Newey's salary included if they tried.
The small teams might but I'm pretty sure that any team on the grid would take a drivers championship win over basically anything else.
The reason this would bother smaller teams is because they would be losing a lot of money and there wouldn't have been any benefit to them. RB would happily have paid £45m extra to win last years drivers.
Would they though? I'm not convinced it's worth the potential of long term reputation damage this could cause. It's not like Max wasn't already one of the most popular drivers before winning the title. Also probably less likely to recruit good staff if they were to be found of cheating.
Personally I think it was a genuine mistake/ miss interpretation of rules. Yes there needs to be a punishment and as I said earlier, FIA can deduct almost half of their points for last season without altering final standings.
Personally I think it was a genuine mistake/ miss interpretation of rules. Yes there needs to be a punishment and as I said earlier, FIA can deduct almost half of their points for last season without altering final standings.
Horner already said he expected the top teams to break the limit, but - yeah - I don't think they were deliberately cheating as such. More applying the same "exploit the grey areas" approach that is the heart of F1 teams approach to technical rules. Trouble is that the financial rules and the technical rules aren't of the same nature.
A "punishment" that changes nothing would be a very bad outcome indeed.
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I don't think it is deliberate but without inner workings of RB, the contracts these teams signed and exactly where the discrepancy is we will never know.
Drivers championship should be off limits, with penalties on the constructors making the most amount of sense. Though this is where the FIA really should have outlined the exact penalties and conditions teams would face if they broke the cap...rather than just now trying to figure it out.
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True but can't see them doing much more, to be honest I don't think they'll even do that. They can be seen as issuing harsh points penalty but also not upsetting one of their biggest teams. Considering it was the first year of new rules and them not specifying penalties for breaking them this seems like a logical outcome.
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i'm not so sure about this, a punishment that doesn't affect the 2021 outcome is one thing but setting a precedent for future "minor" breaches being say half WCC/WDC points removed would most certainly affect future race results if a team is found in breach again, if you're going to go over the cost cap then you'd need to make sure that the points you gain are far higher than any other team to make it worth while, next season the WDC/WCC could be at a point where a deduction of 30 points means dropping 2 or 3 places.
for reference i'm a Mclaren fan through and through even during the bad honda years
my personal take on all this is we don't know what pushed RBR over the cost cap, it could be a $2,000,000 burger or 2 development cycles on a front wing. if we don't know exactly what pushed them over and why everyone saying RBR cheated is drawing a conclusion that isn't really proven as of yet.
Teams push the limits of the rules all the time and it's explained as "thats just F1" the amount of money involved means they will all try and gain an edge FIA say that RBR have gone over the cost cap so its now RBR/FIA fine tuning what caused the overspend was it an accounting error, a decimal place in the wrong location on expenses or did they use the CDF more than allowed etc
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Haas have called a press conference for next Thursday at COTA, likely driver announcement, I guess. I'm fully expecting Schumacher to be confirmed for another year at this point (unless he's escaped to Williams)