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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Me either but it is telling that one of the largest military powers in the world has been reduced to buying second rate kit from a second rate country.
The assigning of fault is such a pointless academic exercise in this case as intent is what matters if Russia deliberately launches missiles into Poland then it is an entirely different matter to a miscalculation.
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Is it though?
By your logic, it's OK if Russia keeps on sending missiles at various Ukraine targets, most of which are demonstrably not military ones, and sometimes Ukraine (or Russia) will inevitably wind up sending a missile into Poland occasionally due to margin of error.
Italian PM captured my thoughts on this perfectly, which someone posted earlier. It's the fault of Russia for sending the missiles in the first place.
They're what you'd expect as the leader of a gang drawn from the violent dregs of jails then put together, armed, given free rein to indulge their bloodlusts and encouraged to do so as a means of oppressing people through fear.
As with some other things, Putin has this in common with other infamous dictators:
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Although they were worse. Maybe deliberately, maybe just because they could get away with it. But that approach is always going to have vile results. It's just a matter of how vile.
How much S300 missile wreckage have you personally seen?. I haven't seen any so I can't comment.
Yep: Within minutes it was Poland who came out saying; Russia attacked us, it's a Russian missile, we want a NATO meeting for article 5/4 and then later back tracked
As I thought it was 100% russian.
NATO is covering it up for very good reasons, they don't want WW3. I feel for Ukraine but how far do we go?
In the Korean war McArthur went full crazy and wanted to invade China, they sacked him. Do we want to go McArthur on russia?
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Neither it seems.
If the co-ordinates in the video are correct, it's good evidence that it was a Russian attack intended to hit Kyiv or Lviv and with the co-ordinates entered incorrectly. Mixing longitude and latitude from two entries in a list of target co-ordinates is a very plausible human error.
A NATO cover-up (with pressure applied to Poland to change their position) is also plausible. Acknowledging a Russian attack on Poland would push NATO into a situation it doesn't want.
How plausible is it as a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile that should have been going in the opposite direction?
A NATO cover-up (with pressure applied to Poland to change their position) is also plausible. Acknowledging a Russian attack on Poland would push NATO into a situation it doesn't want.
How plausible is it as a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile that should have been going in the opposite direction?
I haven't seen any videos so I don't know if this has already been covered but... could it not be the warhead etc.. from an intercepted Russian missile on it's way to Kyiv?
Assuming they are not launched on a ballistic arc and have some level of terminal guidance, perhaps it was knocked out before the "decent phase" to it's target and the missile broke apart leaving the warhead hurtling towards a Polish village?
I remember the reports from back in the (1st I think?) Gulf War of the scud missiles falling on friendly / local villages etc.. even after being successfully "intercepted" in mid-air?
Assuming they are not launched on a ballistic arc and have some level of terminal guidance, perhaps it was knocked out before the "decent phase" to it's target and the missile broke apart leaving the warhead hurtling towards a Polish village?
I remember the reports from back in the (1st I think?) Gulf War of the scud missiles falling on friendly / local villages etc.. even after being successfully "intercepted" in mid-air?
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Kyiv Prersidential Palace: 50.44824N 30.53746E
Lviv Military Airfield: 23.94073E 49.816600N
Polish Grain Store : 50.44824N 23.94073E Just outside of Przewodów where the missile reportedly hit.
From the above Denys video comments.
Lviv Military Airfield: 23.94073E 49.816600N
Polish Grain Store : 50.44824N 23.94073E Just outside of Przewodów where the missile reportedly hit.
From the above Denys video comments.
Also...did whatever hit Poland explode on impact? Debris from a destroyed missile could easily kill someone on the ground if they were unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But I'm inclined to think it was user error in targeting from a Russian missile launch intended for Kyiv or Lviv. I've just checked the co-ordinates myself and they're exactly as described.
They might well be consecutive to each other on a list of targeting co-ordinates for Russian missile launches at the moment. It would be relatively easy to read the latitude from one, enter it, look back to the list, mistakenly read the longitude from the next entry in the list and enter that. Do that and you'd be targeting a farming area in Poland close to the border that matches the description and location given in the news.
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Oh great more CT misinformation or misdirection aka YT clickbait. Of course its russian all the ex-soviet bloc countries have stockpiles of these weapons they date back to the 1970's Ukraine has stockpiles of them its what they use to fire at russian incoming Poland has them too I imagine.
So yes its a russian made missile but that doesn't mean it has to have been launched from Russia or even Belarus as they don't have the range to fire from russia (93 miles maximum for S300's)
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I believe Russia launched around 100 that day (the largest attack so far I understand), so I expect that is the explanation. If the world see's you launching missiles aggressively and someone get's hit, your likely to get the blame. Remember this wasn't an isolated attack.
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Ukraine said they intercepted ALL the Iranian drones that day!
Russian launched, but you knew what I meant.
I despise any CT nonsense and yes the guy is biased, however in this case he's giving facts. The coordinates were exactly Kiev/Lviv only the wrong way round, which gives exactly where it landed in Poland. It could be coincidence, but why are the coordinates so precise?
I'm not one for CT but yeah I'm with you on this one. It's funny how they (the west) all followed the US lead and all said at the same time it wasn't Russian.
I mean I get it, they don't want a huge escalation to the war. So in the grand scheme of things, it's ok to sweep this under the carpet this time over an unintended hit.
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