Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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StriderX said:
There's very little point in putting much stock into videos as it's known that Russia fakes some of them to try and paint Ukraine in a worse light, though not to say that there aren't occasions where it does happen since... well what can we expect of a people who were invaded to erase them from existence?
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Ah, so Ukrainian war crimes are "to be expected" but Russian war crimes are bad - To paraphrase your point.

Alternatively - All war crimes are bad no matter who does them and anyone who does commit them irrespective of "sides" should be punished in the heaviest ways imaginable, which is the current viewpoint of the UK, NATO, the Western World etc. However I understand that to some minds in this thread, war crimes are OK and to be encouraged if it's against "the bad guys" which is a very odd take from those who continually claim to be "better" than other people on the Forum I find and one I've pointed out many times in this thread.
 
ianh said:
Ah, so Ukrainian war crimes are "to be expected" but Russian war crimes are bad - To paraphrase your point.

Alternatively - All war crimes are bad no matter who does them and anyone who does commit them irrespective of "sides" should be punished in the heaviest ways imaginable, which is the current viewpoint of the UK, NATO, the Western World etc. However I understand that to some minds in this thread, war crimes are OK and to be encouraged if it's against "the bad guys" which is a very odd take from those who continually claim to be "better" than other people on the Forum I find and one I've pointed out many times in this thread.
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Nah i'm just saying that videos online aren't the arbiter of whether or not something is actually happening.

There is also a rather large difference between an occasional bout of anger on the Ukrainian side whereas it appears to be government policy for Russia to genocide Ukraine so... at least Ukraine will actually go to the effort of prosecuting it's own war criminals, I can't say the same for Russia.
 
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Grim5 said:
I know their food isn't great, but why does a head of state need to hold a live address on TV with a room filled with a hundred or so of his closest allies to discuss McDonalds food taste. He looks like he's had a few too many Big Macs already
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his pal trump wrote his speech.
 
-Ad- said:
I think I read it was 3 times in the back and twice in the head :D

Suicide skill godlike.
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Living legend if that was whilst falling out of an open window and down some stairs.

Sounds like there’s a kill quad out for military leaders.. Whose? Russian, Ukrainian or other.. when you know your own country hates you as much as your enemy then you’ve got issues!
 
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StriderX said:
There's very little point in putting much stock into videos as it's known that Russia fakes some of them to try and paint Ukraine in a worse light, though not to say that there aren't occasions where it does happen since... well what can we expect of a people who were invaded to erase them from existence?
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Even the BBC is reporting on it now as authentic. Its a pretty low moment if its true.
 
We back on nukes again
NickK said:
Living legend if that was whilst falling out of an open window and down some stairs.

Sounds like there’s a kill quad out for military leaders.. Whose? Russian, Ukrainian or other.. when you know your own country hates you as much as your enemy then you’ve got issues!
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Comes to something when there seems to be more chance of russia killing there own army leaders then there is of Ukraine killing them :cry:
 
Orangeade said:
Even the BBC is reporting on it now as authentic. Its a pretty low moment if its true.
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Seems to be a complex situation. In the full video (not the cut short propaganda released by Russia) you can see a Russian soldier step out from the building next to the surrendering men and open fire on the Ukrainians, hitting the cameraman I believe. No one knows what happened after that, only that the Russians ended up dead. I can imagine some outcomes though:

1. The Ukrainians immediately return fire probably killing at least some of the prisoners and the gunman, before executing the survivors. From their point of view the Russians just committed perfidy (itself a war crime I think) so it's not surprising, though not excusable, if they went on to commit a crime themselves.
2. The situation becomes immediately confused, the Ukrainians fire back and the prisoners try to bolt. The Ukrainians may think it's all a ruse and mow them down. Is this a war crime? No idea!
 
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It is apparently a war crime to falsely surrender. The Russian fired first, the AFU returned fire. Ruskie got himself and all his buddies killed. That's on him.

I believe one Ukrainian died and all the Russians died. The guy with the MG would have mowed them all in response to the Russian attack, and quite rightly so in my view.
 
RobHu said:
Seems to be a complex situation. In the full video (not the cut short propaganda released by Russia) you can see a Russian soldier step out from the building next to the surrendering men and open fire on the Ukrainians, hitting the cameraman I believe. No one knows what happened after that, only that the Russians ended up dead. I can imagine some outcomes though:

1. The Ukrainians immediately return fire probably killing at least some of the prisoners and the gunman, before executing the survivors. From their point of view the Russians just committed perfidy (itself a war crime I think) so it's not surprising, though not excusable, if they went on to commit a crime themselves.
2. The situation becomes immediately confused, the Ukrainians fire back and the prisoners try to bolt. The Ukrainians may think it's all a ruse and mow them down. Is this a war crime? No idea!
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The BBC state that the man who opened fire was not necessarily Russian as he wasn't wearing the same uniform..

The perifdy excuse (I wonder how many people had to quickly Google its meaning...) is a bit lame as its quite clear from any version of the video that the other men had honestly surrendered.

And the fact that the aerial footage shows them dead in the same location.....and they has each been shot in the head...

I think the right thing to do is to do a thorough investigation, not because the Russians particularly deserve it (tbh in my eyes all is fair in love and war) but we know the pundits at Russia will just play this over and over as propaganda...and if not refuted conclusively as fake or without proper prosecution will make people a lot less likely to surrender....

Which is a shame as most of the Russians seem pretty good at giving up! Never corner a rat!
 
Scougar said:
It is apparently a war crime to falsely surrender. The Russian fired first, the AFU returned fire. Ruskie got himself and all his buddies killed. That's on him.

I believe one Ukrainian died and all the Russians died. The guy with the MG would have mowed them all in response to the Russian attack, and quite rightly so in my view.
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The ukranian camera man was killedn
 
Needs to be investigated and the bodies checked if possible.
No one knows for sure other than someone came out of the same building they surrendered from shooting, allegedly killing the camera man.
Suggestions of return lmg fire spraying the area and/or grenade/mortar round (I wouldn’t class that as a war crime even if he aimed at those on the floor, they’d have to assume they are all in it and could be about to join the attack- it’d be over in seconds so not something you have time to think about as you could be killed any moment).
If they all have a bullet in the back of the head (and again there’s no proof of that yet) then that’s a war crime. Even given the circumstances.
 
Scougar said:
I believe one Ukrainian died and all the Russians died. The guy with the MG would have mowed them all in response to the Russian attack, and quite rightly so in my view.
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The longer video shows exactly this. The MG is perfectly positioned, guy comes out shooting and MG let's them have it. I don't really see the issue. Looks like a couple of the guys surrendering know it's going to go down just before.
 
Washout said:
Needs to be investigated and the bodies checked if possible.
No one knows for sure other than someone came out of the same building they surrendered from shooting, allegedly killing the camera man.
Suggestions of return lmg fire spraying the area and/or grenade/mortar round (I wouldn’t class that as a war crime even if he aimed at those on the floor, they’d have to assume they are all in it and could be about to join the attack- it’d be over in seconds so not something you have time to think about as you could be killed any moment).
If they all have a bullet in the back of the head (and again there’s no proof of that yet) then that’s a war crime. Even given the circumstances.
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Exactly. If the investigation vindicates then fine. But in a conflict where one hand clearly has the moral upper hand it would be a shame to squander it.
 
Minstadave said:
The longer video shows exactly this. The MG is perfectly positioned, guy comes out shooting and MG let's them have it. I don't really see the issue. Looks like a couple of the guys surrendering know it's going to go down just before.
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You don't see the issue with people who have surrendered being murdered? My God....
 
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