Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Colonel_Klinck said:
The guy near the end might not want to walk up any stairs in the next couple of weeks. He rightly points out bombing civilians achieves nothing and is obscene.

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But he doesn't point out that it was Russia that invaded Ukraine, not the other way around (as the others are claiming). He doesn't challenge the central lie, i.e. that Russia is heroically defending itself against an attack from the combined forces of all of Europe plus the USA. He's still speaking within the framework of the Putin-approved lie. He's still within the allowed framework of pretended opposition. So he probably won't be killed.
 
Screeeech said:
It's all so depressing and sad.

At this point, I just don't understand what Russia are doing, it just seems they're vandalising everything for the sake of it, whilst being so criminally inept to actually get on any sort of road to victory - instead, they'll just lob missiles at civillian targets.

It's disgusting.
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The publicly stated intention is to completely eradicate Ukraine and make it a colony of Russia. That would involve killing as many Ukrainians as possible in order to make room for Russians. Same as last time Russia invaded Ukraine.

Failing that, kill as many Ukrainians as possible partly out of pique for being denied a new colony and partly to "encourage" future targets to surrender.

Russia's actions are completely understandable from the perspective of an empire-building sociopath. Which is probably not a coincidence.
 
Classic what aboutism deflection

This isn't about America
This isn't about nato

This isn't about anything other than Ukraine and what Russia is doing

People had 20 years to discuss America in Iraq, now that time has passed and it's extremely disrespectful to try and say what Russia is doing is justified and ok because of some other crap
 
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Externally supplied Himars stopped the Russian original strategy, so they pivoted to disrupting logistics/manufacture/c&c at it's convergent weakness, the energy grid, which relies on Soviet era components that will simply cease to be available in the near future, resulting in:
No weapons/troop transport (trains are electric)
No internal arms manufacture (and no easy way to move around externally supplied arms)
Degradation of information and operational awareness of combat areas
It's not really hard to work out why they are doing it, they'd probably even stop if the West agreed and stuck to an arms embargo for the good of the Ukrainian populace.
 
Concrete said:
Externally supplied Himars stopped the Russian original strategy, so they pivoted to disrupting logistics/manufacture/c&c at it's convergent weakness, the energy grid, which relies on Soviet era components that will simply cease to be available in the near future, resulting in:
No weapons/troop transport (trains are electric)
No internal arms manufacture (and no easy way to move around externally supplied arms)
Degradation of information and operational awareness of combat areas
It's not really hard to work out why they are doing it, they'd probably even stop if the West agreed and stuck to an arms embargo for the good of the Ukrainian populace.
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What would be good about that for the Ukrainians?
 
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Can you give me an actual, non-biased news source for this please?
Bazzards said:
Stop dying, lol. Russia has stated it wants to wipe Ukrainians off the map.
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Russia are going to win eventually, the only reason it hasn't happened is because the people in power in the US are enjoying another proxy war and making billions off of their MIC investments.

There is no scenario that Russia does not take Ukraine if it has the will to do so.
 
Concrete said:
Can you give me an actual, non-biased news source for this please?

Russia are going to win eventually, the only reason it hasn't happened is because the people in power in the US are enjoying another proxy war and making billions off of their MIC investments.

There is no scenario that Russia does not take Ukraine if it has the will to do so.
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are you high?
 
Concrete said:
Can you give me an actual, non-biased news source for this please?

Russia are going to win eventually, the only reason it hasn't happened is because the people in power in the US are enjoying another proxy war and making billions off of their MIC investments.

There is no scenario that Russia does not take Ukraine if it has the will to do so.
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I don't see any scenario where Russia wins this, even if they get some kind of deal for territory gain (which they will proclaim a victory), they will be a long term pariah state with huge loss of reputation and damage to their economy.

The average Russian citizen is getting thoroughly screwed over by this war.
 
Good, they deserve to be screwed over due to the majority of them not caring, or willingness to lift a finger.

We need to put a blanket stop on ALL of them from entering the UK and all the property impounded and auctioned off accordingly. Time to really turn the screw again,
 
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The only person I know who has had his family take in Ukrainian refugees is now subtly moaning that visiting other family and friends over Christmas is a logistical nightmare and that in hindsight had he known the length of time they'd be here and all the ramifications, he'd not have offered refuge.

This will not be an isolated take on how the generous refuge givers are feeling. If tens of thousands more are on the cards for an exodus out of Ukraine there is a real danger the public will not be anything like as receptive as with their somewhat naive initial responses.

Energy costs, rising food costs and the Channel migrant situation has made the public far more inward looking. Even the Labour party are making quiet releases of policy changes as they see the public are truly sick and tired of Channel economic migrants arriving unchecked in the hundreds of thousands.

If Russia deprive Ukrainians of power over this winter, and they do all they can to deprive Europe of gas, I reckon they hold the whip hand, long term, as they'll break the public's will for further involvement as they themselves struggle.

The Chinese virus has already caused terrible financial and personal tragedy, and it remains a constant worry as to whether a new strain emerges. I see the West's resolve ebbing soon. People won't put up with wondering if they can afford to boil the kettle for ever. Councils have finite resources and accomodation, the government's financial back is against the wall, too.
 
Concrete said:
There is no scenario that Russia does not take Ukraine if it has the will to do so.
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What?

There is no scenario where Russia has any hope of "taking" Ukraine.

Yes, they could obliterate it/wipe it off the map if they wanted to but I can't see what that gets them.

There is zero chance of them ever being able to occupy it all and hold on to it.
 
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