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We are kind of going in circles here, I think we can all agree:

That it would have best had Russia not invaded.
That the current best outcome would be the immediate cessation of hostilities.

But here we are, in this situation. Russias invasion (lets be honest, that's what it was) failed pretty spectacularly, they have adapted much like the Ukrainians did with the introduction of Himars. The Russians will continue to bombard infrastructure until Ukraine capitulates or until they no longer have sufficient SAM coverage, which will pave the way for them to use their very much still powerful air force to escalate until capitulation.

Either scenario is going to result in massive casualties and Russian control, does anyone have any realistic solutions that don't degenerate into WW3?
 
Concrete said:
We are kind of going in circles here, I think we can all agree:

That the current best outcome would be the immediate cessation of hostilities.
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No. We do NOT agree. These hostilities have desired outcomes for each side. One outcome is better than the other.

Current "hostilities" are the result of the "cessation" of the last "hostilities." (when Russia invaded Crimea)

Allowing Russia to gain anything from this will resort in another invasion, just as it did last time.
 
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Concrete said:
We are kind of going in circles here, I think we can all agree:

That it would have best had Russia not invaded.
That the current best outcome would be the immediate cessation of hostilities.

But here we are, in this situation. Russias invasion (lets be honest, that's what it was) failed pretty spectacularly, they have adapted much like the Ukrainians did with the introduction of Himars. The Russians will continue to bombard infrastructure until Ukraine capitulates or until they no longer have sufficient SAM coverage, which will pave the way for them to use their very much still powerful air force to escalate until capitulation.

Either scenario is going to result in massive casualties and Russian control, does anyone have any realistic solutions that don't degenerate into WW3?
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No. Forthe sake of the rest of the world Russia cannot be allowed any sort of 'win' from this brutal war they inflicted on Ukraine. It's a stated objective of the West that Russia will be ejected from Ukraine whatever the cost, Ukraine wants that, The West wants that, justice demands that. Russia will capitulate before WW3 happens and if not then it's Russia against the rest of the world. Russia is an evil regime led by monsters and their ambitions must be crushed.
 
No we are not going in circles. It's not even shape.

Russia needs to fall back including Crimea a d pay for the damage done to Ukraine and Putin and his cohorts need to stand Trial.

That is the only outcome period.
 
Ok so just to confirm, nuclear annihilation if that's what it takes is the prevailing opinion here.

I'm going to back out slowly and hope to god that none of you ever get into positions that involve diplomacy!
 
Concrete said:
Ok so just to confirm, nuclear annihilation if that's what it takes is the prevailing opinion here.

I'm going to back out slowly and hope to god that none of you ever get into positions that involve diplomacy!
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You think diplomacy works when it's "I'll nuke you if you don't give me what I want?"

Give me a break.
 
Concrete said:
Ok so just to confirm, nuclear annihilation if that's what it takes is the prevailing opinion here.

I'm going to back out slowly and hope to god that none of you ever get into positions that involve diplomacy!
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Be nice if you did back out but something tells me you won't leave until kicked out. A bit like Russia itself really..
 
Concrete said:
We are kind of going in circles here, I think we can all agree:

That it would have best had Russia not invaded.
That the current best outcome would be the immediate cessation of hostilities.

But here we are, in this situation. Russias invasion (lets be honest, that's what it was) failed pretty spectacularly, they have adapted much like the Ukrainians did with the introduction of Himars. The Russians will continue to bombard infrastructure until Ukraine capitulates or until they no longer have sufficient SAM coverage, which will pave the way for them to use their very much still powerful air force to escalate until capitulation.

Either scenario is going to result in massive casualties and Russian control, does anyone have any realistic solutions that don't degenerate into WW3?
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I don’t think we agree of anything except your second sentence.

There will be no ww3.

Russia will eventually need to leave Ukraine. Just as other powers have eventually needed to concede that they seriously misjudge a situation before committing their military.

Even if Russian “won”, the people in Ukraine don’t want to be Russian. To bring the country back under control will take trillions of $$$ and leave Russia frozen out for decades. It’s not worth winning.

Ukrainian Pilots are currently get lying training of western aircraft so I wouldn’t bank on Russian having an air advantage for long.

It’s difficult to quantity just how much of a disaster this has been for Russia
 
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Ok, so lots of talk but still no plan about how to achieve anything at all, 537 pages and I thought you guys would have come up with something other than "get rid of anyone who disagrees with us".
 
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Wow, I was willing to put your previous comment down to naivety, but your fascist tendencies are kind of taking over a bit!
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lol! Give it rest. The Russian people might have been clubbed out of their senses by Putin's security forces but we have not. Like I said, I hope you do quietly leave because your BS opinions are worthless here. Try TikTok.
 
Concrete said:
Ok so just to confirm, nuclear annihilation if that's what it takes is the prevailing opinion here.

I'm going to back out slowly and hope to god that none of you ever get into positions that involve diplomacy!
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Just to be clear you think Russia will win whatever happens and you also bring up nukes when nobody agrees with you...

Are you Putin?
 
Your plan seems to be quit and let Russia do what it wants. We don't need a plan to see your version is defeatist.

Ukraine should keep fighting as long as they have support to do so, why wouldn't they? it's their homes and lives being destroyed, not yours, if they're willing to fight it's their prerogative to do so.
 
Concrete said:
Ok so just to confirm, nuclear annihilation if that's what it takes is the prevailing opinion here.

I'm going to back out slowly and hope to god that none of you ever get into positions that involve diplomacy!
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You seem to have focused on the rhetoric of the propaganda TV channels of Russia here. You don't hear this talk from Putin (that I've read/heard).

EDIT/UPDATE: This is what he said:
"To those who allow themselves such statements regarding Russia, I want to remind you that our country also has various means of destruction, and for separate components and more modern than those of NATO countries, and when the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, to protect Russia and our people, we will certainly use all the means at our disposal," Putin said in a Wednesday address.

"It's not a bluff," he added.

He did not say nuclear war. Like ever, if they launch nukes, we launch nukes. It's over. Long story short, the chance of that happening is almost zero (in my opinion). The rest is just Ruskie TV throwing 'nuke their cities', etc.
 
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ChrisLX200 said:
lol! Give it rest. The Russian people might have been clubbed out of their senses by Putin's security forces but we have not. Like I said, I hope you do quietly leave because your BS opinions are worthless here. Try TikTok.
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I've already commented on personal attacks, but for what its worth, you aren't the opinion police, you are just a tiny little authoritarian who should be in bed by now :D
 
Concrete said:
To state once again:

I am saying that they need to negotiate, to stop the killing.

No one here has come up with any other idea other than "keep killing and hope for the best".

And I'm the bad guy, Ok.
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Ukraine have already made it clear, they will negotiate when Russia leave Ukraine back to 2014 borders (I think it's back to when they only had Crimea).

Otherwise Russia will just "negotiate" and spend the time re-enforcing and deploying.

It's all a game to them, they don't take treaties seriously.
 
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