Asking someone where they are from

Jono8 said:
If that transcript is true, she answered more than reasonably, before getting unduly pressed about it.
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If that transcript is true, it does seem a rather confusing conversation for both sides perhaps.

A thought B was asking what company she was from. Then thought B was asking where that company was based. Then B jumps straight to asking about Africa (A was dressed in African clothing so that's reasonable). Then the whole thing gets confrontational.
 
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Bassmansam said:
How is that racist ?!?!
If i meet someoen with an Australian accent and ask them what part of Australia they are from is that also racist or somethingicst?
Get a grip!
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We found someone guilty of racially aggravated assault when I was doing Jury service because he was found to have used the words 'why don't you go home' in racist context, i.e back to wherever your skin colour belongs. Context is everything.
 
danlightbulb said:
I didnt say in that room, I said generally, in the past, has she asked this question of others before.
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If she asks all other people including white she meets if where their people are from, or where they are really from... I just can't see it happening.

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danlightbulb said:
If that transcript is true, it does seem a rather confusing conversation for both sides perhaps.

A thought B was asking what company she was from. Then thought B was asking where that company was based. Then B jumps straight to asking about Africa (A was dressed in African clothing so that's reasonable). Then the whole thing gets confrontational.
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Indeed. But SH, really should have stopped at where i cut the transcript in that post (and maybe a question before that even).
 
danlightbulb said:
If it comes out that she has asked that question before to other people, including white people, would you concede its not racist?

By extension, the only way to know if it was racist therefore is to judge the person on history not one single event.
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The focus should be on betterment. If standards for considering betterment are so high that everything can be shrugged off for lack of ‘compelling evidence of character’, then we’ll never get better.

Separately, she obviously wouldn’t have felt inclined to make the same line of enquiry with myself (being a white male from England). That is, she would not have a deep curiosity towards ‘getting to the bottom’ of the essential question of the moment… just where abouts in Africa am I really from?
 
200sols said:
We found someone guilty of racially aggravated assault when I was doing Jury service because he was found to have used the words 'why don't you go home' in racist context, i.e back to wherever your skin colour belongs. Context is everything.
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and this is the crux of the whole issue, and why what she said could be considered racist. The implication from her questioning was that people of her colour cannot be from the UK ("really from"), and that they should be considered a separate "people" ("your people") from British people.
 
danlightbulb said:
I didnt say in that room, I said generally, in the past, has she asked this question of others before.
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No i don't think she has ever gone up to a white person she did not know and almost straight off the bat, asked them what part of Africa they are from.
 
Demon said:
What I can say if the Ngozi herself (justiably or not) seems quite prejudiced (https://futurehackney.com/ngozi)
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I mean she runs a racially segregated service as a charity, it's quite apparent she's prejudiced albeit in a socially acceptable way.

This is a good point, presumably, they encounter people of mixed ethnicity; I wonder if she asks them about their heritage when they enquire about using her service?


It also seems that the charity boss has fooled some actual Africans or people of African descent with her LARPing, this young lady has her down as an Igbo, seemingly unaware that her birth name is Marlene Headly and was simply changed to Ngozi Fulani.


Is it "cultural appropriation" for someone of African-Caribbean ethnicity to LARP as a Nigerian via a name change to an Igbo name + donning African-style clothing?

She's already not a fan of the royals, and has previous for making hyperbolic accusations:


Is that credible; the accusation from a DV charity boss that Charles and Camilla are guilty of domestic violence towards Megan?
 
A was dressed in African clothing. B assumed she was therefore from Africa and asked where, in Africa, she was from.

Its pretty clear it became confusing as a conversation because A wasn't from Africa and so then said 'they didn't leave any records'. What? That answer would have been incredibly confusing for B, because B didn't know that A only had African heritage via the Caribbean so was actually from the Caribbean first, then Africa. B didn't know this, and A assumed that's what B was asking or had some prior knowledge.

Extremely confusing.

The only thing B is guilty of is assuming A was from Africa - so an element of prejudice there which is in the definition of racism - technically.

However, look at the definition of prejudice - "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience".

In this case, the preconcieved opinion that A was from Africa was based in reason (she had African clothing on and an African name), so it doesn't meet the definition of prejudice.

Hence, not racist by definition.
 
danlightbulb said:
A was dressed in African clothing. B assumed she was therefore from Africa and asked where, in Africa, she was from.

Its pretty clear it became confusing as a conversation because A wasn't from Africa and so then said 'they didn't leave any records'. What? That answer would have been incredibly confusing for B, because B didn't know that A only had African heritage via the Caribbean so was actually from the Caribbean first, then Africa. B didn't know this, and A assumed that's what B was asking or had some prior knowledge.

Extremely confusing.

The only thing B is guilty of is assuming A was from Africa - so an element of prejudice there which is in the definition of racism - technically.

However, look at the definition of prejudice - "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience".

In this case, the preconcieved opinion that A was from Africa was based in reason (she had African clothing on and an African name), so it doesn't meet the definition of prejudice.

Hence, not racist by definition.
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Well if she was white and dressed like that would she be asked the same questions
 
BowdonUK said:
It seems she, or someone with her, took a recording device and thats how shes been able to provide a transcript of the conversation.

Reading some of the comments of people who have approached her charity don't have very good experiences with them.

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Bowdon have a look at your signature and work out which of those three groups you are.
 
Tony Edwards said:
Same old people giving the same old reasons why racism isnt racism in their eyes. There can only really be two reasons for that. One is delusion the other is much more obvious.
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Ive gone round on this a couple of times Tony.

Initially I thought not racist. Then I looked closely at definitions of racism and concluded it could meet the definition. However now I have looked into definitions more and concluded no, it does not meet the definition.

How else can we look at this objectively if it is not by considering the technical detail of the definition of racism?
 
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