Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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ci_newman said:
If the Ukrainians produce their own missiles and attack Moscow, go for it.
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Problem is that would take them quite a while. It's no coincidence that Russia were fine and happy with Ukraine's status for 20+ years then as soon as Ukraine decommissioned it's tactical missiles and its ability to produce more (at the behest of the USA, who wanted to score buddy points with Russia) Russia changed their tune.
 
nsmalley said:
In either case, attacking Moscow is I think the wrong move. Just as the attacks on UKR power and infrastructure has hardened UKR resolve, then it follows attacking Moscow will do the the same and will probably increase support for the war.
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Yup, just need to be able to hit every military base in range.
 
Scougar said:
I was watching a video yesterday where another youtuber was doing an informal interview with Operator Starsky. At one point he said that he didn't think Russia was hitting civilian targets intentionally, and that it was just showing how bad the Russian tech is. I was very surprised to see that Starsky didn't comment about that.

As I see it - opinions vary -, hitting civilian targets is 100% intentional. They are using pretty darn accurate cruise missiles for example and have done for a long time.
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They are smashing core infrastructure, as they can't take the territory housing it. Destroying that is causing Ukraine huge issues, which is exactly the point.

The US demolished nearly all the power plants in Iraq during the gulf war. They bombed power plants in Serbia, during the Kosovo intervention. It's standard practice.

That's why the US are not making much noise about this, and have to leave it to others to raise a fuss. They don't want a precedent set that makes it awkward for them doing it next time.
 
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ci_newman said:
If the Ukrainians produce their own missiles and attack Moscow, go for it.

Supplying them missiles which they can fire at Moscow is considerably different and makes us an active participant in their local war.
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They're repurposeing old soviet era missile stock iirc they dont' have the capability to manufacture their own. The US didn't supply them with long range missile for precisely this reason
 
News updates:

* Belarus has withdrawn its army from Ukraine's border near Brest

* Biden's officials tell congress that Ukraine has the capability to take back Crimea but that Putin might resort to nukes if they do

* Russia launched two volleys of missiles in last 24 hours; first was 70 missiles then a further 40. 90% shot down in flight.


On a side note; Japan has changed its law to allow for attacking other countries. It will focus on military build up and preparing to assist in a future Chinese invasion of Taiwan and against other aggressive neighbours like NK and Russia

 
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potatolord said:
They are smashing core infrastructure, as they can't take the territory housing it. Destroying that is causing Ukraine huge issues, which is exactly the point.

The US demolished nearly all the power plants in Iraq during the gulf war. They bombed power plants in Serbia, during the Kosovo intervention. It's standard practice.

That's why the US are not making much noise about this, and have to leave it to others to raise a fuss. They don't want a precedent set that makes it awkward for them doing it next time.
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Grim5 said:
On a side note; Japan has changed its law to allow for attacking other countries. It will focus on military build up and preparing to assist in a future Chinese invasion of Taiwan and against other aggressive neighbours like NK and Russia
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And then there's the Tempest (GCAP)

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Britain, Italy and Japan merge combat aircraft projects

Britain, Japan and Italy have merged the Tempest and the F-X next-generation fighter projects into what is now called the 'Global Combat Air Programme'.
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potatolord said:
They are smashing core infrastructure, as they can't take the territory housing it. Destroying that is causing Ukraine huge issues, which is exactly the point.

The US demolished nearly all the power plants in Iraq during the gulf war. They bombed power plants in Serbia, during the Kosovo intervention. It's standard practice.

That's why the US are not making much noise about this, and have to leave it to others to raise a fuss. They don't want a precedent set that makes it awkward for them doing it next time.
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I was using the power plants as an example of they can accurately hit what they want, hence... hitting civilian buildings like apartments blocks is NOT a mistake, or something gone wrong. It's deliberate and willful.
 
My old driving instructor (from 30+ years ago) once told me a story about the war which has stuck with me. In 1935 both he and his brother were convinced war was coming again to europe and signed up. His brother joined the airforce and distinguished himself during the Battle of Britain, he himself joined the army and actually did'nt seem to have done a great deal.

I've often wondered what they saw in 1935 which convinced them that total war was coming four years later - is that the beginning of what we see now? Where will we be in 4 years time?

Sorry, random musings after a few beers.
 
esmozz said:
My old driving instructor (from 30+ years ago) once told me a story about the war which has stuck with me. In 1935 both he and his brother were convinced war was coming again to europe and signed up. His brother joined the airforce and distinguished himself during the Battle of Britain, he himself joined the army and actually did'nt seem to have done a great deal.

I've often wondered what they saw in 1935 which convinced them that total war was coming four years later - is that the beginning of what we see now? Where will we be in 4 years time?

Sorry, random musings after a few beers.
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In a general sense - there were a lot of people convinced, like today, in the 1930s that increased level of globalisation, new communications technologies, the opening up of the era of overseas passenger flight, etc. would make large wars a thing of the past, there were many who stuck their fingers in their ears, just like in recent years, and refused to see the signs that war was possibly coming.

Some considered the economic troubles of the 1930s a precursor to war, others could see that Germany wasn't just rolling over an accepting the conditions post WW1 (such as the remilitarization of the Rhineland as a red flag for some). There was other political instability and smaller conflicts in general which had the potential to escalate.

I dunno how many were convinced war was coming rather than reading the signs and considering war was increasingly likely while broadly many were still in denial.
 
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Kyiv mayor says metro service, water supply back after Russian strikes

The mayor of Ukraine's capital said early Saturday the city's metro system was back in service and that all residents had been reconnected to water supply a day after the latest wave of Russian air strikes on critical infrastructure.
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Putin sounds out military commanders on Ukraine

President Vladimir Putin has sought proposals from his armed forces commanders on how they think Russia's military campaign in Ukraine should proceed, during a visit to the operation's headquarters, the Kremlin said on Saturday.
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www.reuters.com

Kyiv mayor says metro service, water supply back after Russian strikes

The mayor of Ukraine's capital said early Saturday the city's metro system was back in service and that all residents had been reconnected to water supply a day after the latest wave of Russian air strikes on critical infrastructure.
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Putin sounds out military commanders on Ukraine

President Vladimir Putin has sought proposals from his armed forces commanders on how they think Russia's military campaign in Ukraine should proceed, during a visit to the operation's headquarters, the Kremlin said on Saturday.
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Putin may as well ask us how the war should proceed all the good it will do him!
 
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