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A common issue here.
Another is the "I'm focusing on my own interpretation of two words in your post, and ignoring the context in which those words exist".
Does something need to be done about dogs?
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A common issue here.
Another is the "I'm focusing on my own interpretation of two words in your post, and ignoring the context in which those words exist".
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A wise man once told me that context matters. The severe and non-severe are holistic in this case, so you need that context.
That minor bites are less likely to be reported is already pretty obvious, it's not relevant though - again that a Pug may be more aggressive doesn't matter as much as a Pug can't do as much damage!
Ignoring the breed and only focusing on the owners is silly here, breeds are rather different in size and indeed behaviour for example if you own a whippet or a lurcher then they may well have a strong instinct to chase small animals, including cats! No amount of influence the owners will change that issue.
In a similar way, if you own a pitbull type dog then there is always the risk that one day they decide to eat a toddler for lunch:
Ignoring the breed and only focusing on the owners is silly here, breeds are rather different in size and indeed behaviour for example if you own a whippet or a lurcher then they may well have a strong instinct to chase small animals, including cats! No amount of influence the owners will change that issue.
In a similar way, if you own a pitbull type dog then there is always the risk that one day they decide to eat a toddler for lunch:
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You have consistently ignored the point that serious injuries are similarly under-reported and misreported.
That behaviour is predictable and preventable. It is the sole responsibility of the owner to take measures that prevent such behaviour from harming others.
Then it is the owner's responsibility to ensure the dog is not seated in a restaurant where they serve children, then. It's really that simple!!
"thanks for the wall of text, but I have a problem with your definition of the word "blah", "blah" actually means "duh" in my vocab and understanding.
So on that basis, the pug is classed as non-dangerous and does not need to be destroyed?
I genuinely want a yes or no answer to this.
As if this is the case, this is clearly an issue with yourself and larger or more powerful dogs. Pugs can kill a child, easily as well, it all depends on the age of the child which is not a variable to be discussed here. If a dog can cause death to any child, at any age, shouldnt all dogs be banned under that basis?
Or is this another one of your "oh but the dog personality type is aggressive" which is you classing a whole breed of dogs, imagine if you did that of a human....
To what extent does that impact/skew data re: bull terrier types... like aren't they also going to be among those underreported.
It seems like a bit of a nothing burger, especially as far as fatalities are concerned, rather unlikely many dog fatalities get covered up!
They're waaaay ahead so you'll need a better argument than that.
The idea of Pugs going on the dangerous dogs list is rather amusing, I mean if that's how far gone you guys are then...
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Every single one of your questions has already been answered several times. You'd know this if you bothered to read, instead of blindly bleating away.
They say ignorance is bliss, so you ought to be happy as a pig in **** by now.
They say ignorance is bliss, so you ought to be happy as a pig in **** by now.
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To what extent does that impact/skew data re: bull terrier types... like aren't they also going to be among those underreported.
It seems like a bit of a nothing burger, especially as far as fatalities are concerned, rather unlikely many dog fatalities get covered up!
They're waaaay ahead so you'll need a better argument than that.
The idea of Pugs going on the dangerous dogs list is rather amusing, I mean if that's how far gone you guys are then...
Without the number of that breed owned that data is useless. If 9 labs deaths and only 9 labs are owned in the US then they would be the most dangerous, statistically
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Without the number of that breed owned that data is useless. If 9 labs deaths and only 9 labs are owned in the US then they would be the most dangerous, statistically
Most Popular Dog Breeds of 2022 - American Kennel Club
The AKC uses registration data to collect the most popular breeds of the past year, and for the first time in history, the French Bulldog takes the #1 spot
www.akc.org
10 seconds on google
Without the number of that breed owned that data is useless. If 9 labs deaths and only 9 labs are owned in the US then they would be the most dangerous, statistically
Yes but back in reality you're posing a hypothetical re: one of the most popular breeds!
That there is an issue with bull terrier types is pretty clear, they're common enough (especially in shelters) but there are far more popular breeds and strangely enough, we don't see a similar level of fatalities from those more popular breeds! Likewise, it's rather hard to conceal a dog fatality and that gives an indication of the relative rate of non-fatal but severe attacks too.
This type of dog is such an outlier here and it isn't really close, treating all dogs as though they're the same and only focusing on owners is rather silly, there is no real need for a dog type that was artificially created for fighting to still exist as a pet.
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Didn't know we were talking about America.Most Popular Dog Breeds of 2022 - American Kennel Club
The AKC uses registration data to collect the most popular breeds of the past year, and for the first time in history, the French Bulldog takes the #1 spot
10 seconds on google
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Well, you could have paid more attention to the chart in question then!
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Its pointless though to be discussing US stats, not relevant to the UK.
Yeah, cos pitbulls etc. magically turn into little pugs once they cross the Atlantic?
We are discussing UK statistics and banning them from the UK, no one gives a hoot about America stats in the context of this conversation, outside of yourself who are using every fact and figure you can find online globally to justify your position.
Find it hilarious how you will use any and every material found online, but refuse to engage in a meaningful conversation and opening your opinion without going googling for more fact sheets.
Does google decide your fate? Must be a boring existence if it does.
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