And even if it did lead to anything, it'll all happen all over again with the next breed that becomes popular with moronic owners and ends up with a bad reputation because of it anyway
Does something need to be done about dogs?
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Morons have always existed you won’t do anything about that either.
There is thousands of attacks every year registered, they dont only count when its fatal.
And the non-fatals? They're OK though, yeah?
Still waiting for you to explain how it's cruel.
It's just vague emotive arguments "It's dystopian" - how is it?
The vast majority of dogs are already neutered, aside from some strays (relatively rare in the UK) we already decide whether or not any given dog is able to reproduce or not, but somehow it's dystopian to decide that the types of dogs artificially bred for fighting/blood sports should probably not be bred anymore? When we already ensure the vast majority of dogs don't breed.
The vast majority of dogs are already neutered, aside from some strays (relatively rare in the UK) we already decide whether or not any given dog is able to reproduce or not, but somehow it's dystopian to decide that the types of dogs artificially bred for fighting/blood sports should probably not be bred anymore? When we already ensure the vast majority of dogs don't breed.
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You made a comment about Pit Bulls crossing the Atlantic, that's what I was referring to.
Not missing anything, I'm well aware of that, an American umbrella term that has no relevance in the UK. The banned American Pitbull Terrier is not even recognised by the Kennel Club as a breed whereas the Staffordshire Bull Terrier for example is its own breed, with its own standards. I have previously said in this thread about the XL bully being unnecessary, its just another way to circumvent the rules.
And magically turning into pugs... the point was that labradors, german shepherds etc.. aren't magically radically different simply because they're in the UK vs the US.
I'd disagree with that, if you're aware of that then you'd surely see the relevance as the UK's pitbull ban only targets a specific subset of what is included under "pitbull" in the US:
Pit bull - Wikipedia
So that includes bull terrier-type dogs that are allowed in the UK such as the staffie, the XL bully etc. and my point is that bull terrier type dogs are both disproportionately dangerous relative to other breeds and simply aren't necessary; dog fighting and bull baiting is illegal these days.
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I never said it was happening but in the meantime all the scummy humans will continue to favour these types of dogs, they seem to have moved on to the Bully XL thing now which seems to be even worse for attacking.
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Where can I see these stats?
In this very thread or via google.
Scummy humans favour knives so let’s ban knives for everyone.
Possession of dangerous knives is already a crime in public spaces.
So is not controlling your animal isn’t it?
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The point I was making was that if you quote US stats you are including a breed I would imagine is very rare in the UK, since it is illegal to own one, so if you are taking a stance against staffies for example it skews the results in your favour. If people are in this thread defending Staffies and someone comes along with "yeah Pit Bulls are monsters, look at these stats" its not really a fair argument.And magically turning into pugs... the point was that labradors, german shepherds etc.. aren't magically radically different simply because they're in the UK vs the US.
I'd disagree with that, if you're aware of that then you'd surely see the relevance as the UK's pitbull ban only targets a specific subset of what is included under "pitbull" in the US:
Pit bull - Wikipedia
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So that includes bull terrier-type dogs that are allowed in the UK such as the staffie, the XL bully etc. and my point is that bull terrier type dogs are both disproportionately dangerous relative to other breeds and simply aren't necessary; dog fighting and bull baiting is illegal these days.
Pit Bulls as far as I know became preferable etc for fighting as the breeders wanted bigger and stronger(typical US) and the staffie became less popular. Any Staffie I have met have been in loving family homes and more likely to lick you to death. Maybe that historical bloodline between Pit Bulls and Staffies from a few hundred years ago has got further and further apart?
I was under the impression that the banning of Pit Bulls in the UK was generally deemed a success, but then you are always going to get scummy people trying to pass them off as something else or with cross breeding.
So is stabbing someone, so what? You mentioned knives, dangerous knives are banned and many dangerous dog breeds are not.
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Dangerous according to you though but also every knife is dangerous if the intent is to injure.
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Dangerous according to the actual statistics actually as posted many times in this thread both from the USA and UK> because some people think UK pit bulls are nicer.
And also includes breeds that aren't rare in the UK! It's an umbrella term and I don't really see that there is a huge difference there, just look at the recent fatalities in the UK too of the 18 instances listed from 2020 12 of them involve dogs that would fall under "pitbull" in those US stats... they're American Bully XLs, a Staffie cross, an American bulldogs and a Staffie.
That's 66% of the fatalities since 2020 are from incidents involving bull terrier-type dogs, like I already pointed out these dogs don't magically turn into pugs just because they cross the Atlantic, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the US data and realise they're a bigger risk and also see the (smaller sample) UK data and see the same:
List of fatal dog attacks in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
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Those deemed dangerous are banned those that are not aren’t.