Greenlizard0 PL & FA Cup SF Football Thread ** spoilers ** [21st - 23rd April 2023]

Glad I went out and missed the match! After West Ham I had a sneaky feeling we’d make the city game a must win, just surprised we managed to scrape a draw.

I think we’re seeing fatigue catch up to us and with City having all the momentum, it’s the first time I’ve favoured them for the league. I’m still hopeful but it relies on City’s fixture congestion paying dividends, and with their run in it’s far from over.

Saliba is a big miss, without him it’s hard to see us not getting battered against City unless we change our game plan and not try to outplay them. With games in hand a draw wouldn’t be the end of the world.

As depressing as the final games could be, I think it’s important to have some perspective, 2nd is a massive achievement and with some signings in the summer we could build a team that continues to challenge the elite. Spurs/Pool/Chelsea aren’t solving their issues with one window, and Newcastle still have a long way to go despite their league position. It’s the most I’ve enjoyed supporting Arsenal for a long long time and I can only see us moving forward whatever happens at the end of the season.
 
explicit4u said:
As depressing as the final games could be, I think it’s important to have some perspective, 2nd is a massive achievement and with some signings in the summer we could build a team that continues to challenge the elite. Spurs/Pool/Chelsea aren’t solving their issues with one window, and Newcastle still have a long way to go despite their league position. It’s the most I’ve enjoyed supporting Arsenal for a long long time and I can only see us moving forward whatever happens at the end of the season.
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While 2nd is a good achievement, it will ultimately be a disappointment and major missed opportunity.

The league has been pretty unusual this year, you don't often see Chelsea and Liverpool in mid-table. City will probably get better next season too. I don't think Spurs will ever get anywhere under Levy.

As for Man Utd, my main worry at the moment is what's happening with the owners... if we did somehow get bought by Qatar, everything changes in an instant. All sounds very messy at present.
 
omnomnom said:
Whataboutery. He should be aswell. You could find examples of all challenges and say "what about xyz" it doesnt change what he's done.

Its a very dangerous thing to do and he's done it on purpose.
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I've never seen anyone penalised for it. Agree it's dangerous but for some reason it never gets picked up. Neville mentioned it today but never does when Kane does it.
 
Robbo said:
While 2nd is a good achievement, it will ultimately be a disappointment and major missed opportunity.

The league has been pretty unusual this year, you don't often see Chelsea and Liverpool in mid-table. City will probably get better next season too. I don't think Spurs will ever get anywhere under Levy.

As for Man Utd, my main worry at the moment is what's happening with the owners... if we did somehow get bought by Qatar, everything changes in an instant. All sounds very messy at present.
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Oh no doubt, I always thought it would be far more depressing to lose it against beatable sides than dropping points against the likes of Liverpool and City, especially at their grounds. We’ve capitulated badly if we don’t win it, we’ll look back at games against soton, Everton, West Ham and Brentford and wonder how we managed to drop points in very winnable games.

I guess my point is more that we’re a team in transition and this season has been a year or two too early in the long term project. Should we have had much more daylight between us and City? I think that’s unquestionable, should we feel too broken up about not winning the league? Maybe not in the grand scheme of things, but it’ll be a bittersweet 2nd place regardless.

Man U is the one team I think we should be worried about, they’ve shown that they’re a force with their first XI and with a better CB and CM in reserve they’d be a lot closer to the top two. A top class number 9 is also a big miss but it feels like there’s a global shortage of them so everyone bar City will most likely be in the same position. Transitioning from DDG will also be tricky, great GK but doesn’t fit with how Ten Haag wants to play.
 
Oh we are back to throwing the towel in again? City have a ton of distractions coming up, the most surprising thing of the season for me will be if they go the rest of the season without dropping points. I fancy Arsenal to beat them in the head to head too.

Southampton will be absolutely kicking themselves at the end of the season. A huge let off for the teams around them at the bottom. I think that's them Forest and Everton now going down.
 
Title is still the play for. Both clubs have dropped points in fixtures you would expect a win. Even after the city vs arsenal game the title is up for either.

This season has been slightly strange as said above in terms of consistency. The top teams have dropped points frequently and bottom league teams have put in some great performances. Tottenham have generally been poor with a handful of matches early in the season where they have dominated. arsenal and city have dominated most games, but the games they have struggled have been not in the ones you would usually expect. Utd performances have been like flipping a coin regardless of who they play.
 
IronSpider said:
Oh we are back to throwing the towel in again? City have a ton of distractions coming up, the most surprising thing of the season for me will be if they go the rest of the season without dropping points. I fancy Arsenal to beat them in the head to head too.

Southampton will be absolutely kicking themselves at the end of the season. A huge let off for the teams around them at the bottom. I think that's them Forest and Everton now going down.
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I guess its not so much a question of whether or not City will drop points, its more whether they will drop more points than Arsenal, thats the issue for me. If you look at the run-ins...

Arsenal >
Man City
Chelsea
Newcastle
Brighton
Forest
Wolves

City >
Arsenal
Fulham
West Ham
Leeds
Everton
Chelsea
Brentford
Brighton

Even with City having 2 games more to play I look at those and think that City will drop fewer points in those matches than Arsenal will in theirs.

(I also think that City will beat Arsenal in the head to head, which alone will leave them 2 pts behind with 2 games in hand and a very healthy GD advantage)

Nope, for me, Arsenal are dropping points at just the wrong time, right as City are getting stronger and stronger. For me, the title race is over if Arsenal lose to City.
 
explicit4u said:
Oh no doubt, I always thought it would be far more depressing to lose it against beatable sides than dropping points against the likes of Liverpool and City, especially at their grounds. We’ve capitulated badly if we don’t win it, we’ll look back at games against soton, Everton, West Ham and Brentford and wonder how we managed to drop points in very winnable games.

I guess my point is more that we’re a team in transition and this season has been a year or two too early in the long term project. Should we have had much more daylight between us and City? I think that’s unquestionable, should we feel too broken up about not winning the league? Maybe not in the grand scheme of things, but it’ll be a bittersweet 2nd place regardless.

Man U is the one team I think we should be worried about, they’ve shown that they’re a force with their first XI and with a better CB and CM in reserve they’d be a lot closer to the top two. A top class number 9 is also a big miss but it feels like there’s a global shortage of them so everyone bar City will most likely be in the same position. Transitioning from DDG will also be tricky, great GK but doesn’t fit with how Ten Haag wants to play.
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At what point do Arsenal stop being in transition?
 
Tombstone said:
I guess its not so much a question of whether or not City will drop points, its more whether they will drop more points than Arsenal, thats the issue for me. If you look at the run-ins...
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But haven't Arsenal struggled more against the bottom teams than the top half? Dropping points against the Southampton, Everton and Westham type teams this year. So I don't think the run in has much bearing.
omnomnom said:
At what point do Arsenal stop being in transition?
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Next year when they drop back out of the top four.
 
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