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You must have a car worth similar ballpark as me to jump to my defence like that!!
Thoughts on Excessive Speed
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/am gonna storm off to PistonHeads forum now
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Research by the European Transport Safety Council (ETSC) in 2019 suggested that the German autobahn network was the 10th safest in Europe with a risk of death around twice as high as on motorways in the UK.
And from a German site -
The fatality rate over each 1,000-kilometre stretch of German motorways is 30.2 percent, according to European Union data - well above the European average of 26.4 percent. Several European countries including France, Finland, Great Britain, Portugal and Sweden had lower fatality rates than Germany.
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One I wonder about is the people who go all the way up to the end of lane 1 when it is coned off for roadworks, etc. whether they are lacking confidence, just not very aware or am I do it wrong pulling into the next lane in good time :s there was one a couple of days ago where I could have been a dick and just continued alongside someone leaving them with nowhere to go...
why would they be all dead?! neither i nor anyone else, i think, have claimed that everyone that speeds excessively will end up in a fiery death - that certainly would be a pretty hysterical thing to post would it not?
to put it in simple terms - if something goes wrong, out of a drivers control, the speed they are travelling at will have an impact on the outcome. take the driver in the op, maybe what caused the crash was out of their control but what 100% was in his control was the speed he was travelling at. had he been driving slower then the outcome may not have been so brutal for the pair them. if you can't or won't accept that going faster increases the risk of crash and increases the risk serious harm or injury if a crash occurs then i fear all the advanced driver training you've been on was either wasted or you didn't pay as much attention as you should have as i'm pretty sure that would have a major point in the training.
that's all well and good but it doesn't account for the actions of others or situations outside of the conditions, car and driver ability. and you may well find this hysterical too but it's genuinely frightening that someone such as yourself who has been on advanced driving lessons isn't aware of that. is it too long ago to ask for your money back
there's nowt wrong with driving at 150mph and fair play to you for having the skills to successfully drive at that speed, but public highways isn't the place for that, irrespective of your ability, the cars ability or the road conditions.
You're saying doing 100+ on any road, anywhere is so dangerous it should never ever be done. I'm telling you there is an entire country where people do this safely day in, day out and they are absolutely fine. All the training etc highlights appropriate speed, not the dogmatic "speed = bad" as if that was the case, the only safe speed would be 0mph. I need to get from A to B, advanced driving is about making safe progress, controlling the things you can control and accounting for the things you can't. What you know is going to happen, what you can't know and what you can reasonably assume will happen and planning for all of it, all of the time. I suspect the unfortunate motorists referred to the OP had something happen that they could reasonably have assumed would happen and failed to account for it. Reducing that to the over-simplified argument that the consequences of making an error at 200mph are worse than making the same error at 20mph is just that, an oversimplification. You can make an error at 20mph with fatal consequences - the speed might affect the outcome, or the likelihood of the accident happening at all but that isn't the sole outcome of the speed itself because it isn't that simple. If you can accept the fallacy of your argument, resulting in the only safe speed being 0mph, then you can embrace driving at a constantly appropriate speed. With that comes the ability to realise that the number in the circle is an important piece of information to assist your decisionmaking but it is by no means the be all and end all except in one specific aspect, which is when you come across a speed camera.
Sure, you could argue that. What if I'd been going 10mph? I would have driven home without a mark. What is and isn't a factor in the cause of an accident was the precise meaning of my statement - and you know it.
I genuinely think that some people don't think that far ahead, are unaware of the rules of the road or are so dam polite they just sit in the lane until the last moment.
The one that gets me is when you get a bottle neck on a dual carriageway where it changed to one lane and people don't get over on the outside lane and utilise it. Both lanes should be filled for better traffic flow but a lot of people don't seem to know that. Then you get the idiots that pust across from the inside lane but just to stop people using the outside lane!
Or people who get angry at you for cruising past them because they dont understand how merge in turn works and decided to hop into the open lane 3 miles early and get stuck in queue.
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There are lots of probably accurate claims that the German numbers are amazing.
The reason for that is the comparison is not European countries. What you do is compare to the absolute garbage which is American numbers.
You're just meant to merge in turn but people get all defensive and think those trying to merge are getting one up on them. Stupid angry driving, people wouldn't do it normally but behind the wheel they are morons.
Only at low speeds - this is free flowing traffic most of the day - I see loads of people who wander all the way to the end of the lane, often at like 40-55MPH, and often just seem to follow their nose into the next lane as their one closes sometimes causing chaos and near collisions.
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In some countries it is the person being merged intos responsibility to move interestingly.
Indeed - with the average highway speed limit of around 55mph, their numbers are a joke.
Also, 30% of what? 30% of all people driving 1000km on the Autobahn are fatally killed? Nonsense. What *is* true is that German motorways are mostly really, really badly designed. As I said earlier, UK motorways are a dream. I'd love to see the "real" stats, along the lines of what actually caused the fatal accident and the nationalities of those fatalities. Sadly, a lot of people go to Germany just to do absolutely ludicrous speeds, which just because it is legal doesn't make it not totally ****ing stupid.
Example of what I'm talking about from yesterday - I could have been a dick and held my speed and position and left them nowhere to go - instead I moderated my speed to fit in between them and the car one back from them in that lane and kept my speed up enough the driver one back from them could move over behind me. Personally I'd move over at more like the 400 yard mark if not before given my experiences of how some people drive who'll happily just sit alongside you approaching something like that without a care.
EDIT: On the plus side at least they weren't one of those people who see the 40MPH advisory speed limit there and immediately stand on their brakes down to 30MPH with people coming up behind them at 70+ LOL.
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Eh? I think you fail to understand what driving to the conditions means.
Our motorways are generally, wide, flat, well lit, good visibility, with gentle corners, built to a high quality, with minimal obsticles and are generally pedestrian free.
A housing estate usually doesnt...
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the only failing here is on your own part. you brought up the ideal situation whereby you could drive at 170+ mph without issue. the argument made against was that that is all fine and dandy until something you've no control over happens at which point, because of the speed you're doing, suddenly you do have an issue. i used the stone chip as an example, which seemed to trigger yourself and some others into thinking i was being hysterical, but at 170+ mph there's a good chance that stone chip shatters your window. you almost certainly aren't recovering and controlling the car if that happens at those speeds. you tried to duck a similar point by replying to another poster saying such things would fall into your opinion of not good conditions as if you had some control of those situations or conditions. you don't.
Lol. Will it crack the window? Most certainly, will it shatter, absolutely not.
And yet, my point still stands that people cant seem to grasp the driving to the conditions part of the post
And seems you still dont get it either.Im going to go excessively speed off to Morrisons for some dinner, if I crash on the way ill let you know.
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nope, not said that. plenty of roads to drive 100+ think they usually call them racetracks though.
sorry but you're not actually telling me anything here other than you'd like to be driving on the german autobahn. but are they really doing absolutely fine, no crashes or fatalities then i take it? what's the stats for german autobahn fatalities compared to the UK?
it's not an oversimplification - higher speed = higher risk. i really can't believe this was never taught to you on these advanced driving lessons. it's why we have speed limits, cause you know, to have a balance between getting nowhere fast and getting there in one piece.
i genuinely am not having a go a folk that speed (i'm not a saint driving round at or below the speed limit) but equally i'm not foolish enough to believe that driving at 100+mph on UK roads is a sensible thing to do, irrespective of the what the driver thinks to their ability, their cars, or the road conditions.
edit: just had a quick and dirty google - doesn't appear they are doing absolutely fine after all. happy to be correct though as it was just a quick search
Are Germany’s autobahns really the safest highways in the world?
German roads are ‘the safest in the world’, according to Federal Transport Minister Andreas Scheuer. But new figures looking at accidents and fatalities on Germany’s world-famous autobahns have cast significant doubt on that claim.
www.thelocal.de
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