Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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CaptainRAVE said:
A large number of them
are basically unstoppable. Your next weapon of mass destruction.
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Electronic counter-measures?Easily vulnerable to small arms fire and shrapnel, and can't deliver payloads fit to hurt hardened targets anyway.

I dunno, I think small drones will become a significant part of future warfare but I don't see them as the next überwaffen.

In some ways, this may be their peak. In the next war, they'll be something the enemy has planned and prepared for.
 
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As with anything the Russian's say it's a case of 'i'll believe it when it I see it'. Over the last couple of days Prigozhin has been particularly angary but it's hard to know if that's him or the Vodka talking. I guess when you have your own private army to protect your backside you don't worry about getting thrown out a 6 story building.

 
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This series on the war from Doomsday Watch is so far fantastic (I've only listened to episode 1). Episode covers the breakup of the USSR and how Putin arrived at the 2014 invasion, up to 2021 full invasion. The episodes aren't short at around 1 hour but some great interviews and information I hadn't heard before.

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The Ukraine War Ep. 1: The Eve of the War

Podcast Episode · This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler · 26/04/2023 · 1h 4m
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Mr Jack said:
Electronic counter-measures?Easily vulnerable to small arms fire and shrapnel, and can't deliver payloads fit to hurt hardened targets anyway.

I dunno, I think small drones will become a significant part of future warfare but I don't see them as the next überwaffen.

In some ways, this may be their peak. In the next war, they'll be something the enemy has planned and prepared for.
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Despite easily being destroyed by a small arms round small drones are quite hard to hit with small arms manually fired, even the TB2 cruising over Kyiv was shot at for 10-15 minutes and eventually taken out with a missile.

The development of automated turrets like a mini C-RAM would quickly deal with them however.
 
bris said:
I suppose when you think about it when those missiles started testing the west would have been watching very carefully and planning how to stop them, well now we see that result.

It will **** Putin off big time if his super duper missiles can be shot down.
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Thing about hypersonic missiles many seem to miss is that they don't do hypersonic speeds through their entire journey and that even a slower missile can be a counter if it is ahead of the hypersonic missile - even against manoeuvrable ones. If you have an advanced air defence installation at the target of the hypersonic missile and the systems to track and process a kill solution they are very stoppable.

The game changer is when a load are launched where you don't know the targets and/or don't have the air-defence in the right place - if you know you are the target it simplifies things a lot - hence they are likely not the future ship killers they are often hyped up to be.
 
Rroff said:
Despite easily being destroyed by a small arms round small drones are quite hard to hit with small arms manually fired, even the TB2 cruising over Kyiv was shot at for 10-15 minutes and eventually taken out with a missile.

The development of automated turrets like a mini C-RAM would quickly deal with them however.
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Flak.
 
Dis86 said:
Flak.
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It boggles my mind there are no scaled down systems which operate like the C-RAM - many many years ago a friend of mine prototyped something similar to some of these airsoft turret projects for a uni course which could track and compute a firing solution on RC planes and drones, etc. even before drones were a thing like they are today.

While proximity fused frag is more effective even something like a triple barrel chaingun firing hot .22x with computer prediction can do the job.

You don't even need something the scale of
 
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Lord-Jaffa said:
Russia doesn't think short term like the West, I doubt they are going anywhere anytime soon.
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Not willingly, at least.

Some people seem to forget that Ukraine has proven to be competent on the battlefield and it does not appear that they will be politely asking Russia to leave.
 
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StriderX said:
Literally everything points to them only thinking in the short term, that is the main folly of autocracy.
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Depends how you look at it both have areas of lacking long term/broader picture thinking but Russia will more likely grind long term for a result, the West not so much.

I think one of the bigger dangers though is that there seems to be a mindset in the West that the like of Russia or China will conform to our rules and a lack of ability to see the difference between war time and peace time economies, etc. like with the mining of undersea cables, etc.
 
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Rroff said:
It boggles my mind there are no scaled down systems which operate like the C-RAM - many many years ago a friend of mine prototyped something similar to some of these airsoft turret projects for a uni course which could track and compute a firing solution on RC planes and drones, etc. even before drones were a thing like they are today.

While proximity fused frag is more effective even something like a triple barrel chaingun firing hot .22x with computer prediction can do the job.

You don't even need something the scale of
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Are C-RAM viable in largely populated areas ? Those bullets that don't hit the drones have to land somewhere
 
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