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Unfortunately I think your spot on, especially if - God forbid - Trump gets back in and withdraws their support, just makes you wonder how the nation that ironically with the help of the Russians defeated Hitler could potentially hand the Russian equivalent of Hitler (arguably) the reason to extend his conquest of territories just as was Hitlers aim….
err okay?

You realise the Brits had a a lot to do with the Russian defeat of the German army on that front. Trump won't be in power anytime soon.

edit, and even if he did get into power, nothing will change the support for the West in this war.
 
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These posts are so weird.

Trump said he could end the war in 24 hours, not me. I simply said he actually had an intent to seek a peace deal which is lacking in the current administration. I have no idea what Trump could achieve, but considering he actually shook hands with the North Korean leader, I'd imagine it's more than what is currently the passive and largely invisible US President.

I can tell what he would achieve, nothing other than throwing Ukraine under the bus.

You are very easily impressed, he shook hands with a psychopath and gained nothing from it. No weapons, no peace deal, no nothing.

Biden is doing plenty, he is supporting Ukraine, he went to Kiev in the middle of a war, he helped galvanise the West to support Ukraine and sanction Russia. Just because he isn't on TV bloviating like Trump every day doesn't mean nothing is getting done. You watched Trump's CNN town hall, you saw a man lie repeatedly about numerous subjects, his election loss, his rioters on Jan 6th, the documents he stole, the amount of $ sent to Ukraine. He opened his mouth and lies fell out.

You've then decided a peace deal would mean giving Putin territory and asked me if that's a fair deal? Dumb. I even specifically said one that Ukraine would agree to.

Then you've said there's no easy way out, how do we know when no one is bothering to even try and negotiate, are you happy that thousands of people are dying on both sides? Any rational person who understands the horror of war would want it to end at the earliest opportunity.

Negotiate with Putin? What makes you think he could be trusted to stick by any agreement? Russia has been at war with either its neighbours of countries further afield for every year but the first two of his regime. Peace doesn't interest him, control and building up Russia's former empire is what interests him. You are trying to apply our rules to Putin and Russia, they may be in Europe but their culture is alien to ours.

Then you've talked about Trump leaving NATO despite him never actually saying that? It's just BS, he didn't leave NATO in his first 4 years in charge, he hasn't stated that's his intent, yet this is what you've decided? It's a simply misinformation, or to quote Trump "fake news".

John Bolton said he heard Trump say he wanted out of NATO on more than one occasion. Others were leaking he had said it at the NATO meeting in 2018.


I think Putin sees weakness in Biden. You'll note he invaded Ukraine 1 year after Trump left office and not when Trump was in charge.

You mean he thought Biden was weak and so he invaded Ukraine and then found out his had very badly miscalculated. Bidden rallied Europe and US allies and got behind Ukraine. He even had the intelligence services telling the world Russia was going to invade for several weeks before they did.

The date he invaded is irrelevant. You are assuming he wouldn't have invaded if Trump had own. Why wouldn't he? Trump wouldn't have done a damned thing. What did he do about the Donbas or Crimea in his 4 years? Nothing. Congress would have forced him to supply some weapons like they did in his first term, those very weapons he withheld as he tried to blackmail Zelensky just a few months after he had become Ukraine's president.

You see you are putting 2 and 2 together and getting god knows what but it isn't 4.
 
Anyone could end the war in 24 hours. The question is on what terms and would it create more problems than it solved

Only Trump is stupid enough to think he could bring about a lasting peace by “ending” the war in 24 hours, and I question your judgment for quoting it.

He loves Trump, it really is that simple.
 
Trump said he could end the war in 24 hours, not me.

Did he explain how he would achieve this?

I simply said he actually had an intent to seek a peace deal which is lacking in the current administration.

I've already proved that this a lie.

I think Putin sees weakness in Biden. You'll note he invaded Ukraine 1 year after Trump left office and not when Trump was in charge.

Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014, and his forces occupied Ukraine throughout the entire Trump administration, during which time Trump did absolutely nothing to end the war. Try again.
 
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Let’s face it you wouldn’t invite Trump to organise a kids party let alone peace talks. Who on earth thinks that’s a good plan? Seriously some people have just lost it :D

Trump comes into office promising to create peace, end wars, and refrain from starting new ones. He doesn't create peace anywhere, he doesn't end a single war, and he attacks Syria while bombing Yemen.

Biden comes into office, ends a war, and doesn't start any new ones. Republicans lose their minds and accuse him of being a warmonger.

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What is funny is for a business man that says he wants America first.. he seems to be hell bent on giving the rest of the world to everyone else and putting America very much not-first in the world economy..

Putin has shown on more than one occasion he can't be trusted, even when there is a legal document signed. Personally I hope the Russian public impale him on a burning wooden spike for his crimes.
 
err okay?

You realise the Brits had a a lot to do with the Russian defeat of the German army on that front. Trump won't be in power anytime soon.

edit, and even if he did get into power, nothing will change the support for the West in this war.
Well aware thanks, my Grandfather (R.I.P.) served from D-Day to Berlin, not seeing my mum until she was 3 years old.

He used to openly acknowledge that without the U.S. the allies would never have defeated Hitler, and he begrudgingly extended that sentiment to the Russians also.

Its quite clear that the republicans are not keen on the support currently given to Ukraine and are most likely to at best reduce it - playing straight into Putin's long game plans.
 
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Then you've said there's no easy way out, how do we know when no one is bothering to even try and negotiate, are you happy that thousands of people are dying on both sides? Any rational person who understands the horror of war would want it to end at the earliest opportunity.

This is the kind of overly simplistic sound bite the Russian bot farms are pushing - there were multiple rounds of negotiations and talks both leading up to and in the early weeks of the war by many parties including the US, France and Turkey - most gave up when it eventually sank in that Putin wasn't interested in anything but capitulation and that the Russian government could not be trusted to negotiate in good faith - have you so quickly forgot all the naked lies Russia told in the likes of the UN?

A desire to end war at the earliest opportunity doesn't mean taking any and all deal to do so, even if it was possible, a bad deal could have far worst results in the long run and result in far more horrors.
 
This is the kind of overly simplistic sound bite the Russian bot farms are pushing - there were multiple rounds of negotiations and talks both leading up to and in the early weeks of the war by many parties including the US, France and Turkey - most gave up when it eventually sank in that Putin wasn't interested in anything but capitulation and that the Russian government could not be trusted to negotiate in good faith - have you so quickly forgot all the naked lies Russia told in the likes of the UN?

A desire to end war at the earliest opportunity doesn't mean taking any and all deal to do so, even if it was possible, a bad deal could have far worst results in the long run and result in far more horrors.

We’ve seen what Russian deals and treaties amount to. When capitulation results in your destruction, what’s left to lose. You can’t negotiate with Russia, they only understand strength and force, it’s a completely different mindset.
 
Donald Trump is obviously a remarkable man. His personas vary from an ineffectual
nonentity "man child" to the most dangerous man on earth. The most amazing thing is these opinions of him come from those of the supposedly same political persuasion. I guess it might be something climate driven...To be generously accommodating?

An ineffectual man child with the big red button in reach easily makes for the most dangerous man on earth...

Funny how the worse the situation gets for Russia these poor takes start pouring out the woodwork.
 

Interesting, although I'm surprised that kind of information has been allowed to be put in the open given it helps Russia to know next time to use multiple missiles
Its a tactic that Russia has been using a lot recently, decoy's are as old as warfare itself!
Be under no illusion, the frequencies and bands that the Patriot systems work on will have been known to Russia for many many years this isnt a new system and Russia aint new to the game and this definitely isnt news to them, they will have been specifically looking for the frequencies the radar system Patriot uses to target it. Russia's Electronic Warfare capability is still very formidable and is a major factor in how they chose and prioritize targets.
 
An ineffectual man child with the big red button in reach easily makes for the most dangerous man on earth...

Funny how the worse the situation gets for Russia these poor takes start pouring out the woodwork.

I thought the only big red button then allowed Trump to have was the diet coke one?
Obviously diet coke since for some reason all fat people drink it
 

Interesting, although I'm surprised that kind of information has been allowed to be put in the open given it helps Russia to know next time to use multiple missiles
Unless it's at least partly disinformation.

I'm fairly sure that if the Russians can target a patriot system by it's emissions, it's probably not going to be massively hard to do something like set up decoy Patriot emitters with the cheapest hardware that can roughly mimic a patriot battery, place it with say an inflatable made to look roughly like the battery in a field (IIRC it's been done for decades with phony tanks etc as it's faster to set up than wooden decoys), and let Russia waste it's expensive missiles taking out what could potentially be a very cheap decoy.
I'm guessing they could potentially make the russians waste their limited stocks of missiles hitting targets that cost less than a counter missile, or at least make the russians hesitate to risk wasting the missiles on what might be a decoy.



The Chernyshev factory in Moscow, which produces engines for MiG-29 fighter jets, has been in fire since this morning.

How unfortunate…
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The question is, deliberate or accident?
If the Russians have been rushing production/cutting corners or using poorly trained staff to build more of them, or parts for existing ones it's probably quite easy for a nasty accident to happen, and H&S in Russia was never great to begin with.
 
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