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Sankari said:
Ah, the good old days...

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...when vatniks actually believed their own propaganda.

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And they will continue to believe it.

The new one is that they're not fighting Ukraine but all of NATO so its acceptable to them that Russia cant get the 3 day war done now.
 
Roar87 said:
The EU is a defacto state, even if people refuse to accept that. This is why, even if the UK were better off economically, I would never vote to join it, and would vote leave given the same choice. The EU brings a lot of benefits, but the price being paid is too high. The EU is a large part of the conflict in Ukraine, they didn't consider that a conflict could arise as a result of letting Ukraine join, I don't think they viewed the potential for a war as remotely serious because they're generally quite naive people who live in a completely different world to the likes of Putin.
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Brexit was the biggest mistake the UK has ever made, Christ even Johnston with all his lies didn't think it was going to happen, there is no doubt about it the UK has lost billions because 0f it an we as a people have lost all the benefits it brought.

There was nothing to gain from leaving the EU
 
Roar87 said:
The EU is a defacto state, even if people refuse to accept that. This is why, even if the UK were better off economically, I would never vote to join it, and would vote leave given the same choice. The EU brings a lot of benefits, but the price being paid is too high. The EU is a large part of the conflict in Ukraine, they didn't consider that a conflict could arise as a result of letting Ukraine join, I don't think they viewed the potential for a war as remotely serious because they're generally quite naive people who live in a completely different world to the likes of Putin.
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You aren't entirely wrong... until you add back in that the UK had many vetos and privileges which invalidates what you just said in that respect - something those you look up to for your opinion conveniently forgot to mention/glossed over. Brexit in the form we've pushed on with is entirely pants on head retarded - sure should those privileges we (a) enjoyed (b) underutilised [partly thanks to that POS Farage] become sidelined or revoked then I'd support leaving the EU but in a manner which was done with reason, strategy and as much as possible to our advantage.

The threat of war from Russia with regard to Ukraine's EU membership isn't on the EU though I'd agree that within the EU largely there is quite a naive mentality in this respect and people generally can't see or even imagine the way Putin sees the world, hence the frequent insistences that Putin might be looking for an off-ramp despite him clearly showing it was not the case and/or the thinking that appeasement or negotiations could work. We shouldn't not do things simply due to the threat of a bully, though we should be clear eyed about and prepared for the consequences.
 
Chris Wilson said:
A very interesting post from you, I am rather surprised that you support a country physically fighting for its culture's survival. Do you project that same thought on to us English? We should fight to retain our English culture? I could imagine lots of shouts of Nationalism should I have suggested we fight for maintaining our own culture....

How do you suggest we fight to maintain our culture?
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Crazy that you believe we should fight for our English culture, but we should not support Ukraine fighting for hers.
 
Grim5 said:
Now this is Spicy

Washington Post is reporting that Wagner's Prigozhin has contacted the Ukrainian intelligence directorate multiple times to strike a deal. What Prigozhin requested was that Ukraine withdraws from Bakhmut so Wagner can claim victory to look good. In exchange Prigozhin would provide the co-ordinates of Russian army's positions, ammo depots etc elsewhere along the front line for them to hit. Ukrainian intelligence says they don't trust his offer, so keep declining.

If true, that's treason and Putin should have Prighozin's head on a spike

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Personally I think one of them is going to die, either Putin keeps his crown or he claims it.

Its no secret now that he wants it and that means one of them has to die.
 
bris said:
Personally I think one of them is going to die, either Putin keeps his crown or he claims it.

Its no secret now that he wants it and that means one of them has to die.
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Can't see how Prigozhin gets even close to Putin or can take any action against him without some serious leverage, if he wanted to do it better while he had access. Putin has Rosgvardiya under his thumb (which despite a mauling in Ukraine still has significant capabilities) as well as a significant size private security detail both of which I'd assume would be loyal to him.

I'm not convinced personally the rift isn't more theatrics than reality.
 
Grim5 said:
Twitter says hundreds of air defence missiles and drones - no proper source, could be BS
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No way its BS we are a major supplier to them, Sunac will be sending him home with a nice little doggy bag.

He's not going there for tea and crumpets
 
Rroff said:
Can't see how Prigozhin gets even close to Putin or can take any action against him without some serious leverage, if he wanted to do it better while he had access. Putin has Rosgvardiya under his thumb (which despite a mauling in Ukraine still has significant capabilities) as well as a significant size private security detail both of which I'd assume would be loyal to him.

I'm not convinced personally the rift isn't more theatrics than reality.
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Money, money gets him close, it only takes one FSB to accept the 2-3 million and its done.

He does have a rather large private army and his comments are beginning to look a bit treasonous, you don't speak out about Putin like he does unless your setting something up.
 
Jono8 said:
Still amazed that Russia just willingly started something that gave the west the ability to wage a relatively cheap proxy war on Russia to help decimate their armed forces with no direct involvement from their own armed forces.

Nice work Putin. Cheers.
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Putin never in his wildest dreams though NATO would go this far. When you get away with murder and occupation for years then you tend to take it for granted.
 
bris said:
Money, money gets him close, it only takes one FSB to accept the 2-3 million and its done.

He does have a rather large private army and his comments are beginning to look a bit treasonous, you don't speak out about Putin like he does unless your setting something up.
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Even if successful it would be a likely suicide job with no guarantee Prigozhin pays up.

Something is being setup but I'm not sure it isn't theatrics for some other reason or the target is other than Putin.

bris said:
Putin never in his wildest dreams though NATO would go this far. When you get away with murder and occupation for years then you tend to take it for granted.
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Putin shows many signs of megalomania and is used to getting his way by intimidation and bullying I don't think he saw things panning out like this at all (EDIT: That said the smarmy way he acts as if the defeats aren't concerning him I find concerning he is either mad bluffing that it isn't concerning him or has confidence because he has a trick up his sleeve).
 
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Might be my imagination but looks like Russia is shifting civilian air routes further away from Ukraine - I suspect anticipating they are going to need air-defences to be more active. A lot more stuff seems to be flying over the Caspian, etc. now instead of shorter routes.
 
StriderX said:
I wonder how many pilots have fled Russia? Can't be fun going to do a mission and returning only to get shot down by your own side.
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Well if their system shoots their own bombers, cruise missiles or fighters.. then forcing their SAM sites to active is playing into ukraine’s hands.
 
NickK said:
Well if their system shoots their own bombers, cruise missiles or fighters.. then forcing their SAM sites to active is playing into ukraine’s hands.
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Self imposed no fly zone? Surely a system like the s300/s400 has some sort of IFF system, or an operator in the loop to deconflict with friendly air traffic? Unless they really are that jumpy, they fire first and ask questions later?
 
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