I believe Russia tried to create an IFF system, but uhh yeah...
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They do but Russian IFF hasn't proven reliable and they've had a few instances of S-300, etc. missiles going off course or even downing the wrong/civilian aircraft.
Many of these Soviet era platforms were designed in an era when they stopped chasing the West's developments in combat aircraft and air to air munitions and instead designed around the idea of just indiscriminate control of the skies in a total war with the West.
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This is probably a crazy thought but could we have already given them a couple of Eurofighters on the lowdown just so they could launch the Storm Shadow? Would the government actually need to inform the public? The government did say months ago they were going to train Ukrainian pilots on UK jets.
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Highly unlikely.
The whole thing is becoming more and more like some kind of daytime soap opera.
That's as it should be, why leave kit for the enemy / someone else to nick. I would expect the other side to do the same tbh.AFU drone drop on three RF soldiers. One is injured and the other two strip him of his gear. @ukrainewarvideoreport Reddit
Wow no honour amongst thieves
The irony is actually even deeper than it first appears. Hitler was obsessed with taking Stalingrad purely because of it's name (it was named after Stalin in case anybody missed that) and likewise the Soviets were obsessed with keeping it for the same reason.
Putin is also obsessed with taking Bakhmut mainly because of it's name, for those who don't know it was one the city (then called Artemivsk) was one of the only cities (and perhaps the most important one) taken by separatists in the initial 2014 uprising, obviously Ukraine took it back as Russia hadn't begun to openly support the separatists yet and so they were getting hammered by loyalist forces but after it was retaken it was renamed Bakhmut as it's previous name was in honour of a Soviet revolutionary and so as part of the de-Russification of Ukraine (and a middle finger to Putin
) the name was reverted to the old Bakhmut name used a century ago.Putin was no doubt really hoping to retake the city, restore it's Soviet era name and bask in his own glory, poor guy
NB: For anyone wondering why Ukraine didn't just rename it after independence, they sort of did but only to change the spelling form Russian to Ukrainian, they were still into hero worshiping Soviet heroes from Ukraine at the time (even though the guy in question was originally born in Russia).
Thanks for the explanation. Very interesting.The irony is actually even deeper than it first appears. Hitler was obsessed with taking Stalingrad purely because of it's name (it was named after Stalin in case anybody missed that) and likewise the Soviets were obsessed with keeping it for the same reason.
Putin is also obsessed with taking Bakhmut mainly because of it's name, for those who don't know it was one the city (then called Artemivsk) was one of the only cities (and perhaps the most important one) taken by separatists in the initial 2014 uprising, obviously Ukraine took it back as Russia hadn't begun to openly support the separatists yet and so they were getting hammered by loyalist forces but after it was retaken it was renamed Bakhmut as it's previous name was in honour of a Soviet revolutionary and so as part of the de-Russification of Ukraine (and a middle finger to Putin
Putin was no doubt really hoping to retake the city, restore it's Soviet era name and bask in his own glory, poor guy
NB: For anyone wondering why Ukraine didn't just rename it after independence, they sort of did but only to change the spelling form Russian to Ukrainian, they were still into hero worshiping Soviet heroes from Ukraine at the time (even though the guy in question was originally born in Russia).
Well if you call sending 50 thousand convicts to their death heavy lifting in this conflict you would be the only one.
In case you haven't noticed they are fleeing Bakhmut now. They failed there.
Wouldn't it be well known by now if any patriot systems were destroyed?
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Yea because the rest of the none Wagner lead offensive(s) has been so successful.
Wagner appear to be more combat effective than the rest of the Russian army.
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While the capability of the Kinzhal is no doubt overstated by Russia and potentially by military pundits going off Russian claims plus rumours, it should be heavily noted that the patriot battery that shot down the incoming missile was also the target of the missile.
To put this in perspective, during WW2 a German Tiger 1 tank managed to successfully shoot down an IL-2 Sturmovik ground attack aircraft that was descending towards it for the kill. While that shot still required serous accuracy, lead, etc by the gunner (to be clear it used the main cannon not the twin machine guns) it was made infinitely easier by the fact the target was coming straight at it while descending, had it been any other angle the shot would have been impossible.
This isn't to hate on the patriot, hell they've downed more RAF jets than Russia ever has lol, but if people are expecting this to become the norm they may well end up seriously disappointed (I hope not, but I'm being realistic rather than optimistic in the outlook). Russia have now confirmed that the patriot can indeed shoot a really fast fish in a barrel when pointed at the barrel and will probably not attempt that again (assuming ofc the first time was actually intended to kill the patriot and not just test it's capabilities).
More combat effective than what's left of the Russian army.
Let's not forget they lost like 300+ Spetsnaz on the first day and things didn't improve that much after then, the quality of the Russian Army has decreased almost as much as the quality of their equipment has
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Aren't these systems usually pointed upwards? Not entirely the same as being able to point and shoot, but I suppose the difference is marginal.While the capability of the Kinzhal is no doubt overstated by Russia and potentially by military pundits going off Russian claims plus rumours, it should be heavily noted that the patriot battery that shot down the incoming missile was also the target of the missile.
To put this in perspective, during WW2 a German Tiger 1 tank managed to successfully shoot down an IL-2 Sturmovik ground attack aircraft that was descending towards it for the kill. While that shot still required serous accuracy, lead, etc by the gunner (to be clear it used the main cannon not the twin machine guns) it was made infinitely easier by the fact the target was coming straight at it while descending, had it been any other angle the shot would have been impossible.
This isn't to hate on the patriot, hell they've downed more RAF jets than Russia ever has lol, but if people are expecting this to become the norm they may well end up seriously disappointed (I hope not, but I'm being realistic rather than optimistic in the outlook). Russia have now confirmed that the patriot can indeed shoot a really fast fish in a barrel when pointed at the barrel and will probably not attempt that again (assuming ofc the first time was actually intended to kill the patriot and not just test it's capabilities).
More combat effective than what's left of the Russian army.
Let's not forget they lost like 300+ Spetsnaz on the first day and things didn't improve that much after then, the quality of the Russian Army has decreased almost as much as the quality of their equipment has
There’s many possibilities of what was going on but I doubt a patriot being destroyed was one. Quite the opposite.
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Nah that video is ******. He's still alive and rather than treat him they rob him of his kit, he's fighting them to try and keep it and then they leave him there to likely die a long slow painful death.
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*Air Defence Systems Repelling Attacks on Ukraine Early Tuesday - Head of Ukrainian President’s Office
*Kyiv’s Mayor Klitschko: Blasts Heard in Kyiv, Emergency Services Dispatched
*Russia Attack on Kyiv Was Complex, ‘Exceptional in Its Density’, Vast Majority of ‘Enemy Targets’ Shot Down -Kyiv Officials
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It's common knowledge that the Soviets were responsible for over 75% of Germanys total losses in WW2, you can freely find this information in a multitude of places. Even after D-Day they were still fighting the germans at a ratio of 2:1 eastern/western fronts.
16 million dead civilians also, a lot from what is now Ukraine, which is why their V day deserves respect, regardless of current affairs, those that died in WW2 in defeat of the Nazis deserve it. Dlockers etc should really pick up a history book and educate themselves, It's barely even worth taking the time to respond to the ignorance shown in these threads to basic factual history.
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