Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Ok then but the result would still be dead civilians, I'm sure you're not suggesting deliberately targeting civilians. Someone working in an office, say perhaps dealing with payroll for Russian soldiers, would still be a civilian. Ukraine and Russia haven't even formally declared war on each other.

Generally no, they're not. They'll be an armed forces employee.
 
Seems like the government buildings bri mentioned wouldn't be buildings full of military personnel.

Suffering privately, yes, that's not the suffering I'm talking about.

Time to hit the Government buildings, anywhere there is an official presence.

I'm not for hitting civillians, just government targets all over Russia.

Apparently we don't want to hit civilians (good).

And yes if their is any workers in the buildings then yes they are collateral damage.

But if we do hit workers (civilians) in the buildings then they're collateral damage, so we don't really care.

I'm sure it wouldn't take long before they refuse to go to work for fear of being bombed.

Russia isn't suffering anywhere near the scale Ukraine has not even close.

This war needs to be on their doorstep before they step in to stop it.

So, the deliberate targeting of government buildings where we know we'll hit civilians will make them scared to go to work... I'm sure there's a word for that.
 
So, the deliberate targeting of government buildings where we know we'll hit civilians will make them scared to go to work... I'm sure there's a word for that.

So, the deliberate targeting of civilian buildings; where we know we'll hit children and kill them... I'm sure there's a word for that.

From a factual perspective, I think the agreements around war don't classify killing workers within a military or organisational buildings as a war crime.
 
So, the deliberate targeting of civilian buildings; where we know we'll hit children and kill them... I'm sure there's a word for that.

From a factual perspective, I think the agreements around war don't classify killing workers within a military or organisational buildings as a war crime.

Both sides shouldn't attack civilians, it's pretty straight forward.
 
Targeting military buildings where civilians work is a matter of proportionality. Civilian casualties aren't completely forbidden by the Geneva convention just that any attack should have definite military value such that the war ends sooner so there's less casualties overall.
 
Ok then but the result would still be dead civilians, I'm sure you're not suggesting deliberately targeting civilians. Someone working in an office, say perhaps dealing with payroll for Russian soldiers, would still be a civilian. Ukraine and Russia haven't even formally declared war on each other.

So state agencies directly involved in the planning and logistics of war aren't fair targets? Sorry but ministry of defence, intelligence agencies, Wagner headquarters are all valid targets. Don't want to get hit by missiles, don't aid the war by working for these agencies. Yes maybe the cafeteria staff might also get hit, though the attacks would likely happen at night so those deaths would be minimal. Its war Roar, not tiddlywinks, bad things happen to innocent people sometimes.

Though there is no way Ukraine uses these missiles to hit such targets. A certain bridge in Crimea though or Sevastopol naval base would be great targets. Civilians might die in either attack.
 
So state agencies directly involved in the planning and logistics of war aren't fair targets? Sorry but ministry of defence, intelligence agencies, Wagner headquarters are all valid targets. Don't want to get hit by missiles, don't aid the war by working for these agencies. Yes maybe the cafeteria staff might also get hit, though the attacks would likely happen at night so those deaths would be minimal. Its war Roar, not tiddlywinks, bad things happen to innocent people sometimes.

Though there is no way Ukraine uses these missiles to hit such targets. A certain bridge in Crimea though or Sevastopol naval base would be great targets. Civilians might die in either attack.

bri didn't say any of what you're posting, you're trying to suggest he meant military buildings when it's clear he doesn't. He's talking about government buildings, not specifically directly involved with the military, and saying people should be scared to go to work incase they get killed. Can you please be honest in what you're posting.
 
Update on Patriot

From CNN: US technicians visited Kyiv and inspected the system. The damage is very minor and the system is still fully operational

Russia doesn't agree though. They also don't agree that they launched Kinzhals, Shoigu claims they only launched one not six and Russian MOD spokesperson says their Kinzhals destroyed the Patriot radar stations and 5 launchers, ignoring that for this to be true the Kinzhal's explosion from the one missile Shoigu claims they launched would need to be nuclear due to the distances between the pieces of Patriot equipment they claimed to have destroyed.



 
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Russia doesn't agree though. They also don't agree that they launched Kinzhals, Shoigu claims they only launched one not six and Russian MOD spokesperson says their Kinzhals destroyed the Patriot radar stations and 5 launchers
Plus 10 HIMARS launchers, 30 Leopard tanks, Air Force One and a US Aircraft Carrier.
 
Update on Patriot

US technicians visited Kyiv and inspected the system. The damage is very minor and the system is still fully operational

Russia doesn't agree though. They also don't agree that they launched Kinzhals, Shoigu claims they only launched one not six and Russian MOD spokesperson says their Kinzhals destroyed the Patriot radar stations and 5 launchers, ignoring that for this to be true the Kinzhal's explosion from the one missile Shoigu claims they launched would need to be nuclear due to the distances between the pieces of Patriot equipment they claimed to have destroyed.

The information is really murky - everything I've seen so far makes me doubt that any part of the system was hit by debris, cruise missile (Kinzhal or otherwise) or drone. Personally I'm leaning towards a launch failure IIRC they were 1-2 short of a full unload from the footage we've seen as well.
 
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