Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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And probably just the fact that they can strike far into Russia.
Basically it will be able to quickly take any arms that the US can put on it rather than be limited by the SU restrictions.
SU flight range = 190 miles.. F16 range is 500 miles. Naturally add more payload and the range drops but still.. that's 95 mile return trip for the Russian fighter and 250mile return trip for the F16..
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Russia's best are rotting in Ukrainian fields
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F-16s are older than Mig-29's, although there have been many upgrades, but as Grim5 says, it is what they can carry that is the concern for Russia; not just air to air either.
From Bild
"Since the 1990s, the American Patriot air defense system has been sharpened specifically to shoot down Chinese, Iranian, and Russian missiles.
While the Russians exaggerate the characteristics of their weapons, the Americans always give too low estimates of its true striking ability to deprive the adversaries of information.
Since the Dagger can carry a projectile with a nuclear warhead, successful countermeasures against these missiles indicate NATO's readiness to repel Russia's attempts to use nuclear warheads.
We have now received proof that the Western air defense system is capable of intercepting tactical nuclear weapons delivery systems even under a time-coordinated attack from several directions."
"Since the 1990s, the American Patriot air defense system has been sharpened specifically to shoot down Chinese, Iranian, and Russian missiles.
While the Russians exaggerate the characteristics of their weapons, the Americans always give too low estimates of its true striking ability to deprive the adversaries of information.
Since the Dagger can carry a projectile with a nuclear warhead, successful countermeasures against these missiles indicate NATO's readiness to repel Russia's attempts to use nuclear warheads.
We have now received proof that the Western air defense system is capable of intercepting tactical nuclear weapons delivery systems even under a time-coordinated attack from several directions."
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Now if they can just advance to intercepting the big boy nukes, we can all sleep easy.
It's a game of cat and mouse, just like hackers and anti cheats in games. Once you build a defence system that can take out the enemy's weapons, it's only a matter of time until they find a way around it and you feel unsafe again and it's only a matter of time until you find a new defence system and this wheel just keeps turning over and over
The other risk is we know Russians have spies and agents everywhere and in the event they really want to hit hard, attacks may not not just come from overhead missiles, they might try to deploy a localised built dirty or nuke like we've seen in movies to hit the West. So even if you can defend from the air with 100% success you are still not totally safe. The Russians actually started building bombs for this in the Cold War, they would put them inside black briefcases and if I'm not wrong, one or two were actually lost many years ago
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You should read Good Strategy/Bad Strategy if you are interested in the click beneath what you've described here (y).
An audit has picked up an error in the way the US has valued military weapons sent to Ukraine
So far the known variance means the US has delivered $3 billion worth of weapons less than they promised, but this number may grow. The Pentagon says it will resolve this by sending more weapons to match the promised value, but they may need Congress approval for this
So far the known variance means the US has delivered $3 billion worth of weapons less than they promised, but this number may grow. The Pentagon says it will resolve this by sending more weapons to match the promised value, but they may need Congress approval for this
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There to make Putin seem sane?
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Damn, was that you screwing up the FP&A to try and screw Ukraine, roar?
While I thought it was obvious Russia was preparing to invade, I was guilty of overestimating Russia's combat effectiveness and underestimating Ukraine's will to fight and die for their land.
However, once I saw how poorly Russia's military performed and how Ukraine was willing and able to defend themselves, I recalibrated my view to fit with what was actually happening.
I am glad I was wrong on those counts.
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I think pretty much everyone thought Ukraine would fall within 2 weeks.
Russia's biggest aerial advantage thus far has been that their newer Su and MiG fighters can carry modern long range missiles whereas Ukraine's Soviet era Su and Mig fighters are limited to pre-90s missiles with lower range. The crux of the issue is that Ukraine's fighters can be shot down before ever getting into range to shoot back.
The F-16 is essentially the cheapest western plane that will give them access to western missiles with comparable range to Russia's.
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Meanwhile the Patriot missile battery that was damaged has now been fixed
Patriot missile battery damaged in Ukraine is now repaired, Pentagon says – CNN
A Patriot missile battery damaged by a Russian missile barrage against Kyiv has been fixed, the Pentagon said on 18 May. “One Patriot system was damaged, but it has now been fixed and is fully back and operational,” said Pentagon deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh, according to CNN. Early on...
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Whilst absolutely brilliant, I really hope they are supplying sufficient ammo to make it worthwhile.
The Arthur system(what we know as MAMBA) is a game changing bit of kit for counter battery fires. However its must be used correctly, highly mobile Shoot and Scoot tactics like the MLRS/HIMARS systems. Otherwise it will last minutes on the battlefield. According to the trackers they have already lost at least one of the systems that we gave them.
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