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hobib_ali said:
how do the UK tax payers feel about paying Ukraine 10 Billion and more during a cost of living crisis, where 1 in 4 families cannot afford food and clothing, 1 in 3 with children being affected, wouldn't that 10 billion plus help UK tax paying citizens during this tough time?

Same thing with America, they issued like 80 billion already.
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It's not that tough. A tough time is when some Russian ******* comes along and throws a grenade through your window, killing your wife and children.

The fact that the government let our poor go hungry is not a question of not having the money, it's a question of the government choosing not to help them.
 
SpellowHouse said:
Shorts and flip-flops. Bare chest with **** U Putin tattooed on his chest.
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Its a weird train of thought. The guys leading a country at war with Russia, he's not completely safe anywhere in the world.

Why would he wear a suit anywhere when he may be forced to run or fight for his life at anytime?
 
hobib_ali said:
how do the UK tax payers feel about paying Ukraine 10 Billion and more during a cost of living crisis, where 1 in 4 families cannot afford food and clothing, 1 in 3 with children being affected, wouldn't that 10 billion plus help UK tax paying citizens during this tough time?
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I feel perfectly fine about it as I know that £4.6bn is not equal to £10bn and also that it's not actually money that's being give but military equipment/training of that value (a lot of which is being sold on finance rather than straight up gifted).
 
*Top Ukrainian General: Ukraine Controls ‘Insignificant’ Part of Bakhmut, but That It is Enough to Enter City When Situation Changes
*Top Ukrainian General: Ukraine’s Advances on Flanks Around Bakhmut Are Effectively Nearing ‘Tactical Encirclement’ of Russian Forces
 
hobib_ali said:
how do the UK tax payers feel about paying Ukraine 10 Billion and more during a cost of living crisis, where 1 in 4 families cannot afford food and clothing, 1 in 3 with children being affected, wouldn't that 10 billion plus help UK tax paying citizens during this tough time?

Same thing with America, they issued like 80 billion already.
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Helping Ukraine? I'm fine about that.
Not helping people in the UK? Not fine about that.

One does not stop the other from happening.
 
hobib_ali said:
how do the UK tax payers feel about paying Ukraine 10 Billion and more during a cost of living crisis, where 1 in 4 families cannot afford food and clothing, 1 in 3 with children being affected, wouldn't that 10 billion plus help UK tax paying citizens during this tough time?

Same thing with America, they issued like 80 billion already.
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Why are they mutually exclusive in your mind?
 
Let's put Bakhmut in perspective.

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bris said:
So we shouldn't remember our war dead then, just let them fade into the history books never to be remembered?

The poppy is a remembrance once a year for the sacrifices our grandfathers made, you disgrace their memory.
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The act of rembering doesn't rely on a flower. Of course it's theatre it's symbolism to help encourage the masses to not forget.

A poppy can be replaced with something else, like it most likely will in the future.

No one is disgracing anyone's memories
 
hobib_ali said:
how do the UK tax payers feel about paying Ukraine 10 Billion and more during a cost of living crisis, where 1 in 4 families cannot afford food and clothing, 1 in 3 with children being affected, wouldn't that 10 billion plus help UK tax paying citizens during this tough time?

Same thing with America, they issued like 80 billion already.
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You think that's cash they are giving them?

And why do you think this cost of living crisis is happening exactly? Who's primary action caused a chain of events that has lead to today?
 
Roar87 said:
"I support Ukraine, but I feel that a greater emphasis on diplomacy over the past 25 years may have helped avoid this tragic conflict"
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We can't change history, but even if we could, what specifically do you think could have been done differently and how would that have changed/prevented the kind of situation we find ourselves in now?
 
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Roar87 said:
"I support Ukraine, but I fear a wider conflict could eventually escalate to a nuclear exchange, the cost to humanity would be unimaginable"
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With that mentality, you're clearly too young to have lived through the Cold War, when we were closer to nuclear conflict than at any other time in history, including today.

The current conflict will not escalate to a nuclear exchange. 'I'm afraid of nuclear war' is just a weak excuse used by people who aren't prepared to condemn Putin's invasion because they think it's easier to just give him whatever he wants (and some of them support his invasion anyway).

If the West had held this mentality 50 years ago, we would have lost the Cold War and most of Europe would be under Russia's boot.

Roar87 said:
"I support Ukraine, but I feel that a greater emphasis on diplomacy over the past 25 years may have helped avoid this tragic conflict"
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Give me a 25-year outline of the diplomacy that would have prevented Putin from invading Ukraine. Bonus points if you can do it without repeating pathetic lies about NATO.
 
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hobib_ali said:
how do the UK tax payers feel about paying Ukraine 10 Billion and more during a cost of living crisis, where 1 in 4 families cannot afford food and clothing, 1 in 3 with children being affected, wouldn't that 10 billion plus help UK tax paying citizens during this tough time?

Same thing with America, they issued like 80 billion already.
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A significant amount is loans. Another significant amount is ageing hardware. The amount of money spent would not cover the costs of Russia controlling the resources of Ukraine. In the long term it also would require huge amounts more defence spending as Russia would be a significant aggressor directly on Europe’s border. This is on top of the elevated resource, food and fuel prices we would have to keep paying to now what is Russia who would control the majority of resources and decide the price we have to pay. The amount of people that couldn’t afford things would just go up.
 
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Sankari said:
With that mentality, you're clearly too young to have lived through the Cold War, when we were closer to nuclear conflict than at any other time in history, including today.

The current conflict will not escalate to a nuclear exchange. 'I'm afraid of nuclear war' is just a weak excuse used by people who aren't prepared to condemn Putin's invasion because they think it's easier to just give him whatever he wants (and some of them support his invasion anyway).

If the West had held this mentality 50 years ago, we would have lost the Cold War and most of Europe would be under Russia's boot.



Give me a 25-year outline of the diplomacy that would have prevented Putin from invading Ukraine. Bonus points if you can do it without repeating pathetic lies about NATO.
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I've already explained my position as well as linked articles that go over the points better than I could
 
No way its 4k sadly we have to be realistic this has been a brutal battle :(

On other hand this flank situation talks of encriclement could well be nasty for Russians, imagine it all to collapse now would love to be fly on the wall in Putin office :D
 
bingham67 said:
No way its 4k sadly we have to be realistic this has been a brutal battle :(

On other hand this flank situation talks of encriclement could well be nasty for Russians, imagine it all to collapse now would love to be fly on the wall in Putin office :D
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As someone posted above, there's propaganda on both sides. Trying to now pretend Bahkmut is insignificant now the Ukrainians have lost it is more of the same. They were willing to lose thousands of people trying to hold it. I don't think they like withdrawing /giving up ground, and it's their country so I can understand that but it's a very costly strategy.
 
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