TfL might scrap London Day Rail Travelcards
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I try to avoid going into London at all cost these days. Overcrowded and ludicrously overpriced.
I'm afraid that if it is because of Covid and a long term reduction of travellers into London through WFH etc., one should cut ones cloth to suit. Subsidising excess seats and journeys would seem inappropriate. If every journey is rampacked then amending the fare structure as has been proposed is the answer and rinning more services.
I suspect it’s probably to get more money from people that travel in from outside London and then travel around London all day. Basically UK tourists. It’s going to catch some out of London commuters but if you aren’t travelling on more than a couple of tube rides then you don’t need a travel card. For normal London based commuters nothing changes, you still have an automatic day/week travel card.
But in some cases, the removal of the travelcard will increases prices by 50-60%. That's not just amending the pricing structure.
Train tickets were already expensive enough to disuade me from using public transport into London, for a family of four you'll now be looking at £200 for a 40minute return train ride and z1-z6 oyster for a day trip.
It was already cheaper to drive into Z6 and use Oyster to get to central London, this will just seal the deal.
It's crazy. It is genuinely cheaper to fly to Madrid that to go to London for a weekend.
Bit of a broken system really.
If go by train to London it's even worse. I never use the trains in the UK anymore. Even one person it's cheaper and less hassle to drive if you have a car.
Now they are making travel within London more expensive?
Bit of a broken system really.
If go by train to London it's even worse. I never use the trains in the UK anymore. Even one person it's cheaper and less hassle to drive if you have a car.
Now they are making travel within London more expensive?
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It's all about money. Extend the ULEZ to stop some people driving in, forcing them on to trains. Then increase the price of trains. Typical crap from Sadiq Khan.
We should be making public transport cheaper, not more expensive, to encourage people to use it over cars and to promote local economy growth.
We should be making public transport cheaper, not more expensive, to encourage people to use it over cars and to promote local economy growth.
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Same when going from London to elsewhere. Easy and cheaper to grab a flight.
Travel within London isn’t getting more expensive as such. It’s impacting people that previously bought paper travel cards included with their tickets from outside of London.
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Travelcards are already more expensive than a straight return anyway.
Anytime return is £49, anytime travel card is £62.
Because our government can't afford it, bit by bit cost cutting measures. This is when you know there are real problems, yet trying to hide how deep they are.
We have completely lost any economic advantage, failed politics, greed and decline of the west.
Don't worry it will get worse.
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London day travelcards to be phased out
The daily paper tickets will no longer be sold or accepted on Transport for London services.
www.bbc.co.uk
I wouldn't really call it eye wateringly expensive, you can travel many miles for a few pounds. The network is exceedingly well connected and regular too so it is much faster to travel around London on public transport than a lot of places. In my area, there are places where basically you have no choice but to take a taxi unless you want to walk for a couple of hours, which is a lot more expensive than the equivalent journey would be on London public transport.
I just plugged in a random long distance journey from east to west London, Greenwich to West Ruislip. That's well over 20 miles and costs £3.60 offpeak / £5.60 peak.
The excellent public transport is one of the few redeeming features London has IMO.
London public transport is cheap relative to the rest of the UK but still very expensive compared to elsewhere. I can compare to Seoul which has a vastly bigger (784.3 miles vs 250 miles) underground and my journey there costs £1.50 return vs £6.00 in London.
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Understand but as far as I am aware that does not constitute as a mainline travel card, just a zone travel card.
From my understanding this was an attack on the commuter belt of London, those who need travel cards to maintain a sensible price for travel in to the capital each day.
Where I live, I can buy a travel card for £32 that gets me to my london mainline station and then I can go wherever in london for that price.
If I do that separately, it ends up being about £40 a day, does not sound much but this is just where I live and my experience, colleagues that are living further out are more towards a £50 travel card and £65 without. It all adds up.
Either way, removing travel cards is another attack on the commuter belt and commuters in general. Plus it allows me to actually spend some time in the capital and spend money as I can then move between stations, see some friends etc etc. Doing this on a oyster and normal train line ticket, all it does it add even more money on to my already expensive commute.
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Hold on, is this the London zone 1-2 card that gets me to London and then a tube journey to the office for one price?
Or something more specific?
Or something more specific?
Terrible decision which doesn't feel like it should be in the competetence of the Mayor's office given that the only people who it impacts are those who could not vote for him. If TfL needs money how about putting up council tax to levels comparable with the rest of the country instead of letting those with £1m properties in Westminster pay just £1k a year?
Fortunately I live out in zone 9 so this change is only going to make my train costs comparatively cheaper to the surrounding towns
Fortunately I live out in zone 9 so this change is only going to make my train costs comparatively cheaper to the surrounding towns
Yeah basically, all paper travelcard tickets are going to disappear. "Passengers travelling from outside the capital will be expected to use contactless or Oyster cards on arrival."
So pay one price to get you to your London mainline station, then having to do separate transaction through contactless/oyster for the rest of your travel round London.
Report also states that "We anticipate that, if TfL ceases to accept day travelcards, rail operators will also stop selling Zone 1-6 travelcards".
This.
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Of course this will not have impact on tourists that visit and spend money in capital … especially when people are worried about chances of a possible recession 
It is just more hassle that’s going to inconvenience people wanting to visit capital. Although I hate rising prices I would rather they kept the travel card and just put the price up. I can see this being massive hassle having to keep doing seperate transactions at each station especially if you are in a rush.
It is just more hassle that’s going to inconvenience people wanting to visit capital. Although I hate rising prices I would rather they kept the travel card and just put the price up. I can see this being massive hassle having to keep doing seperate transactions at each station especially if you are in a rush.
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