It's a very astute move by Sadiq. It's also very dissapointing the government didn't put a stop to it. I expect more people will look to drive to Z6 now.
TfL might scrap London Day Rail Travelcards
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It's a very astute move by Sadiq. It's also very dissapointing the government didn't put a stop to it. I expect more people will look to drive to Z6 now.
Can't wait to leave.they are planning pay per mile in London. I hope I managed to tie things up and leave before this comes into play.
It doesn’t impact people already in London who usually just tap in on a card.
This would never happen. ULEZ is proving to be challenging for the mayor and pay per mile would be political suicide.
Depends on how much it is I guess. Pay per mile might be better for those travelling less in the ULEZ and offer more chances to save money than a flat fare.
£1 per mile.
when you moving out of London again? seems a bit of a dream given 2 years later and your still there.
Also pay by mile would never work and never be accepted by the public.
The way I see this is:-
Government decides to remove TLF funding because the rest of the country shouldn't need to pay for something that isn't benefitting them
Covid hits, everyones finances gets screwed. TFL is no exception.
Government has TFL over a barrel in return for funds.
TFL now seeing an opportunity to make some money by deciding londoners will not subsidise outside travel cards. (if i understand it correctly)
And we've gone full circle. 1 & 4 are both dumb, the government needs to realise, AFAIK, public transport isn't generally profitable and trying to force TFL to fund itself is dumb as rocks. TFL/Mayor need to realise that funding tickets from outside london is a good idea - transport in the UK isn't exactly cheap, allowing people to come in and spend is a good idea. If they want to increase the ticket costs they should do so by a far smaller amount - £3 at most.
I do think we should bin paper travel cards though, I'd have it integrated into oyster in some way.
Government decides to remove TLF funding because the rest of the country shouldn't need to pay for something that isn't benefitting them
Covid hits, everyones finances gets screwed. TFL is no exception.
Government has TFL over a barrel in return for funds.
TFL now seeing an opportunity to make some money by deciding londoners will not subsidise outside travel cards. (if i understand it correctly)
And we've gone full circle. 1 & 4 are both dumb, the government needs to realise, AFAIK, public transport isn't generally profitable and trying to force TFL to fund itself is dumb as rocks. TFL/Mayor need to realise that funding tickets from outside london is a good idea - transport in the UK isn't exactly cheap, allowing people to come in and spend is a good idea. If they want to increase the ticket costs they should do so by a far smaller amount - £3 at most.
I do think we should bin paper travel cards though, I'd have it integrated into oyster in some way.
Probably because:-
Also for balance, I'd like to know how profitable the £2.5Bn Stonehenge tunnel is, or the £9Bn lower Thames crossing is expected to be.
Is this another one of your fantasies or does it come with some sauce?
Basically any possible TfL subsidy is probably payable out of the tax take of Londoners alone multiple times over. If you were to divide the tax pots and spending into say "London" and "the rest of England" it wouldn't be London coming off worse. And without TfL a lot of that tax wouldn't be being made in the first place.
keeps banging about mustard or drool.Calm down.
Many things have never been accepted by the public ,yet they still happen with or without.
The local council and gov don't really give a toss about the public. You have an illusion about UK democracy.
Yer, I still plan to move out, as I said it depends on a few things.
People just accept every, but don't have the balls to riot, like the French.
Now with the new pension tax, secretly being pushed out along with other taxes.
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That's a lot of words for "no".
I guess a dictionary was needed.
Come on champ, post a source for once. You can do it, I believe in you.
I'm the one with an illusion?
My 2 cents,
Paper travelcards purchases are rare in London, the cost difference is around 40% extra for paper travelcards compared to Contactless and Oystercards.
Train operator companies are the major driver in cost increases for the annual price of travelcards. Meaning TFL cannot freeze travelcard prices without TOCs agreeing, and they never do.
London Underground was the only profitable part of TFL pre pandemic. That profit was used in part to subsidise the buses etc, which in part are owned by Train operators or other transport providers foreign or domestic.
TFL have had to absorb poor performing rail services which ultimately increases costs and risks.
I think with the current business model and accounting of finances by TOCs I think its wise for TFL to break away from other ticket sellers.
Paper travelcards purchases are rare in London, the cost difference is around 40% extra for paper travelcards compared to Contactless and Oystercards.
Train operator companies are the major driver in cost increases for the annual price of travelcards. Meaning TFL cannot freeze travelcard prices without TOCs agreeing, and they never do.
London Underground was the only profitable part of TFL pre pandemic. That profit was used in part to subsidise the buses etc, which in part are owned by Train operators or other transport providers foreign or domestic.
TFL have had to absorb poor performing rail services which ultimately increases costs and risks.
I think with the current business model and accounting of finances by TOCs I think its wise for TFL to break away from other ticket sellers.
It may well be.