Just what is NVIDIA up to?

[humbug]

AI by the looks of it since if it wasn't for that Nvidia would have had to cut prices by now.

Nvidia are the ones priced higher.
AMD have to drop prices because Nvidia are overpriced? That is where i just cannot take you seriously, you're telling a company they have to take the hit because their competitor are overpriced.

No, that's mental.

Do you think AMD are stupid?

 

[t2na]

Do many people make those sorts of judgments though, personally speaking I'll get whatever is best in my price bracket. If i had a budget of £700 I'd consider increasing it by £25 but there's no way I'd spend an extra £190, even if it that afforded me a much better card.

Yeah, this is how I approach budgets for upgrades. I'll stretch it 50 quid if needed but I'm not spending an extra 200 quid - but then budgets for a whole new build can be a bit wobbly.

i.e. say I'm going for a 7700x + 7900XT - but I can grab a 7900XTX and drop my cpu to a 7600x then I'm probably doing that. So my GPU 'budget' increases at the expense of my CPU one - but it's all part of the same build budget.

 

[JediFragger]

but I can grab a 7900XTX and drop my cpu to a 7600x then I'm probably doing that.

I'd do that and then save for a 3D chip for the future then sorted

 

[uscool]

If we take HUB's +3% average.

At this point the 4080 is about 20% ahead of the 7900XT, for 66% more money.
The 7900XTX 7% ahead of the 4080, the 4080 is 24% more expensive.
The 4090 is 19% ahead of the 7900XXXXTXXXXXXX for 69% more money.

When you lay it out like that the AMD cards are much better.

IMO at £725 i don't think the 7900XTX is stupidly priced, at £890 the XTX certainly isn't, on HUB's cost per frame chart the 7900XT ranks near the top, above all the previous gen cards, ironically the RX 7600 is the top ranking one for that, its the one HUB hated, its the best value of all of them.

I still wouldn't buy either being lesser evil isn't good enough, id consider at around £700-£800 for xtx / 4080

 

[humbug]

Yeah, this is how I approach budgets for upgrades. I'll stretch it 50 quid if needed but I'm not spending an extra 200 quid - but then budgets for a whole new build can be a bit wobbly.

i.e. say I'm going for a 7700x + 7900XT - but I can grab a 7900XTX and drop my cpu to a 7600x then I'm probably doing that. So my GPU 'budget' increases at the expense of my CPU one - but it's all part of the same build budget.

Ryzen 7600 none X is £30 cheaper, they are the same CPU in all but X

 

[humbug]

I still wouldn't buy either being lesser evil isn't good enough, id consider at around £700-£800 for xtx / 4080

With the 7900XT being £725 the 7700 should be around £450 and better than the 4060Ti, the 16GB one, the 8GB shouldn't even exist.

I'll be happy with that....

 

[Joxeon]

Nvidia are the ones priced higher.
AMD have to drop prices because Nvidia are overpriced? That is where i just cannot take you seriously, you're telling a company they have to take the hit because their competitor are overpriced.

No, that's mental.

Do you think AMD are stupid?

They both priced higher, Nvidia priced higher so they could sell through their warehouses of older cards for more money, I think Jensen called it layering when openly telling shareholders this was the plan. AMD followed along and did the same despite having a real opportunity to snatch market share and put Nvidia in a really difficult position with huge supplies of unsellable 3000 series cards. AMD is now having to cut pricing as no one was buying their cards for their MSRPs while Nvidia can just stick for now and make do with the low sales as they can funnel the same silicon into AI products and sell for far more.

AMD are not cutting prices to do you a favour and would be more than happy taking 900 quid off you for cards like the 7900XT but because they are not as heavily invested in AI as Nvidia they need some gaming sales so the price cuts are to get stock moving, again this isn't a move to undercut Nvidia as Nvidia right now couldn't care less about gaming. AMD are simply lowering prices to try and maintain an acceptable level of sales which is why I fully expect cards like the 7900XT to be down to around £600 by the end of the year.

 

[humbug]

They both priced higher, Nvidia priced higher so they could sell through their warehouses of older cards for more money, I think Jensen called it layering when openly telling shareholders this was the plan. AMD followed along and did the same despite having a real opportunity to snatch market share and put Nvidia in a really difficult position with huge supplies of unsellable 3000 series cards. AMD is now having to cut pricing as no one was buying their cards for their MSRPs while Nvidia can just stick for now and make do with the low sales as they can funnel the same silicon into AI products and sell for far more.

AMD are not cutting prices to do you a favour and would be more than happy taking 900 quid off you for cards like the 7900XT but because they are not as heavily invested in AI as Nvidia they need some gaming sales so the price cuts are to get stock moving, again this isn't a move to undercut Nvidia as Nvidia right now couldn't care less about gaming. AMD are simply lowering prices to try and maintain an acceptable level of sales which is why I fully expect cards like the 7900XT to be down to around £600 by the end of the year.

AMD are cheaper, a lot cheaper, so i still don't see your point.

 

[ICDP]

The point is, just being better value than Nvidia doesn't automatically make it "good" value especially when Nvidia are so far away from good value this generation its unreal.

Nonsense, the 7900 XT and recent deals for other AMD GPUs have been well received as good VFM. Granted this is more an OCUK thing but the simple point is people can get an AMD GPU for a very competetive price compared to previous releases. We are effectively getting AMD GPUs at better price/perf than we did at last gen MSRP.

7900 XTX can be bought for £890 With Starfield
7900 XT can be bought for £725 with Starfield
6950 XT can be bought for £600 with Starfield
6800 XT is £500 with Sarfield
6800 is £440 with Starfield
6750 XT is £350 with Starfield
6700 XT is £308 with Starfield

All of these prices are ahead of the price/perf compared to release MSRP. Especially when (not if) we consider our pound is worth less than it was 2.5 years ago. You constantly parroting that the 7900 XT is really a £600 GPU does not make it true, because you continue to ignore inflation and exhange rate realities. It makes you look deluded and does not help your argument.

For reference, using the Bank of England inflation calculator, goods costing £600 (a 6800 XT) in 2020 would cost you £725.46 today. So as of today the 7900 XT is effectively the same price as a 6800 XT was on release.

AMD GPUs are good VFM and not just compared to Nvidia, but compared to previous AMD prices. Me wanting them cheaper does not make them "overpriced".

 

[Phixsator]

Yeah. AMD need to work in their marketing and perception of them being the cheaper, lower quality alternative.

At this point AMD would have to invest in a very long and extremely expensive PR campaign just to make a small dent. It's pointless unless they want to take marketshare which doesnt seem to be their goal at this point in time. The real issues is people. Most are gullible fools, if anything that last few years have clearly shown this. Anyone picking up an AMD RX 6000 or 7000 series or even the old 5700 series are in for a positive gaming experience and many will be shocked at how good the driver package actually is.

 

[Joxeon]

AMD are cheaper, a lot cheaper, so i still don't see your point.

The point is I still don't think they are good enough value yet, you may disagree with that but hopefully enough people will agree so we can see further price drops as that will only benefit us consumers.

 

[humbug]

Nonsense, the 7900 XT and recent deals for other AMD GPUs have been well received as good VFM. Granted this is more an OCUK thing but the simple point is people can get an AMD GPU for a very competetive price compared to previous releases. We are effectively getting AMD GPUs at better price/perf than we did at last gen MSRP.

7900 XTX can be bought for £890 With Starfield
7900 XT can be bought for £725 with Starfield
6950 XT can be bought for £600 with Starfield
6800 XT is £500 with Sarfield
6800 is £440 with Starfield
6750 XT is £350 with Starfield
6700 XT is £308 with Starfield

All of these prices are ahead of the price/perf compared to release MSRP. Especially when (not if) we consider our pound is worth less than it was 2.5 years ago. You constantly parroting that the 7900 XT is really a £600 GPU does not make it true, because you continue to ignore inflation and exhange rate realities. It makes you look deluded and does not help your argument.

For reference, using the Bank of England inflation calculator, goods costing £600 (a 6800 XT) in 2020 would cost you £725.46 today. So as of today the 7900 XT is effectively the same price as a 6800 XT was on release.

AMD GPUs are good VFM and not just compared to Nvidia, but compared to previous AMD prices. Me wanting them cheaper does not make them "overpriced".

Could not have put it better myself, nothing more to be said about it, eveything is more expensive, the 7900XT is 10% more than the 6800XT and the XTX is $100 cheaper than the 6900XT.... Good Grief, shocking....

Here we are looking at an £1100 ##80 class card and....... "Reeeee AMD are to expensive, Reeee AMD bad" Get The ####!!!!

 

[Joxeon]

Could not have put it better myself, nothing more to be said about it, eveything is more expensive, the 7900XT is 10% more than the 6800XT and the XTX is $100 cheaper than the 6900XT.... Good Grief, shocking....

Here we are looking at an £1100 ##80 class card and....... "Reeeee AMD are to expensive, Reeee AMD bad" Get The ####!!!!

Nvidia are not interested in selling gaming GPUs right now so using them as a baseline line for value is a fallacy.

 

[humbug]

Nvidia are not interested in selling gaming GPUs right now so using them as a baseline line for value is a fallacy.

And that makes it ok how?

Using AMD as a baseline value its not bad at all.

 

[Joxeon]

And that makes it ok how?

Using AMD as a baseline value its not bad at all.

Ok then lets use AMD as a baseline, a 6800XT was 30% faster than the previous gen top gaming GPU and cost £600, the 7900XT matches the previous gen top card for £725 or a 7900XTX beats it by 17% for £890, can you see how much worse off AMDs offerings this time around?.

 

[humbug]

Ok then lets use AMD as a baseline, a 6800XT was 30% faster than the previous gen top gaming GPU and cost £600, the 7900XT matches the previous gen top card for £725 or a 7900XTX beats it by 17% for £890, can you see how much worse off AMDs offerings this time around?.

a 6800XT was 30% faster than the previous gen

What was the previous gen?

 

[ICDP]

Ok then lets use AMD as a baseline, a 6800XT was 30% faster than the previous gen top gaming GPU and cost £600, the 7900XT matches the previous gen top card for £725 or a 7900XTX beats it by 17% for £890, can you see how much worse off AMDs offerings this time around?.

Your numbers are wrong.

The most recent reviews of the 7900 XTX show it ~ 43% faster at 4K than the 6950 XT.

The 7900 XT is ~28% faster than the 6950 XT.

These are average scores and of course game dependent. You are still ignoring inflation and the weaker pound. If you were to use the UK release price of the 6800 XT it would cost £725 today. Cab you at least get that part into your head?

 

[Joxeon]

What was the previous gen?

Go and have a look, best GPU in 2019.

 

[humbug]

Go and have a look, best GPU in 2019.

That could be anything...

Your numbers are wrong.

The most recent reviews of the 7900 XTX show it ~ 43% faster at 4K than the 6950 XT.

The 7900 XT is ~28% faster than the 6950 XT.

These are average scores and of course game dependent. You are still ignoring inflation and the weaker pound. Can you at least get that part into your head?

and the 6950XT was $1100.

 

[Joxeon]

Your numbers are wrong.

The most recent reviews of the 7900 XTX show it ~ 43% faster at 4K than the 6950 XT.

The 7900 XT is ~28% faster than the 6950 XT.

These are average scores and of course game dependent. You are still ignoring inflation and the weaker pound. If you were to use the UK release price of the 6800 XT it would cost £725 today. Cab you at least get that part into your head?

28% for a 7900XT is going above cherry picking, even AMDs own slides show it as only 7% faster.