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Why is everyone hating on Intel ARC so much?

The price thing only exists so they can get people to buy them so its possible to get some experience. Once they are established because the Intel fanboys have something to use in the pcie slot they will put the prices up to match nvidia.

Intel are no shining light in any tunnel.
 
The Arc cards are superior (feature wise) to RDNA 2, tbh. At this point, I'd take the A750 over a RX 6600, but not a RX 7600.

A770 is a harder sell, the 16GB version is pretty expensive, but Arc definitely scales well, reviews have shown that consistently where it gains ground at higher resolutions.

That said, it still struggles to best a 6700 XT (except with RT/upscaling) and you can get one cheaper. The 8GB version is in a weird place.

Scales well is how they used to describe AMD cards in 2012, that was because back then AMD's architecture didn't handle CPU draw call well at all and it was CPU bottlenecked at lower resolutions.
 
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Driver issues mostly. But to be fair to them they are rolling out regular updates to fix issues.

I'm certainly going to be keeping an eye on Battlemage, if it's powerful enough and is at a decent price, I might jump on it for my new build.
My thoughts 100%, when a baby is born do you throw it away because he/she is good at nothing? Ok to extreeme. They are doing well IMO. On another forum they are like 4k 129Hz for spread sheets, not games. What is wrong with gaming on that??? Besides AMD/Nvidia is not cheap over in the US at least.
 
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The 6700XT is 20% faster at 1440P and it just works.....

The ARC cards still have issues with bugs in games, to the point where some games crash regularly if the thing runs the game at all. For example we are still waiting for a driver from Intel to make Starfield run, at all. who knows how long that will be....

You're a hardware beta tester, i don't understand why anyone would want to pay more for a card with that user experience, unless its a play thing that you don't need to be reliable, but even then Intel are trying to get the same money for a card that is not only problematic but also slower.

Its a £200 card to play about with, tops.

That's not me "hating on it" that is just objective reality.
 
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This is a big part for the excitement, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming OC 12G Graphics Card, 3X WINDFORCE Fans, 12GB 192-bit GDDR6X, GV-N407TGAMING OC-12GD Video Card is $849.99, XFX Speedster MERC319 AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT CORE Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6 HDMI 3xDP RX-68XTALFD9is $529.99 & Intel has a better price. They just need to get the drivers matured.I mean look at the RTX. Plus Nvidea cut down on stuff to build them cheaper if the drivers had no issues, A770 16GB would look real good right now. Battlemage is sure to be better.About Intel pulling out of new products, who renenbers NForce Motherboards? Google also, Google Plus for 1.
 
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This is a big part for the excitement, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming OC 12G Graphics Card, 3X WINDFORCE Fans, 12GB 192-bit GDDR6X, GV-N407TGAMING OC-12GD Video Card is $849.99, XFX Speedster MERC319 AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT CORE Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6 HDMI 3xDP RX-68XTALFD9is $529.99 & Intel has a better price. They just need to get the drivers matured.I mean look at the RTX. Plus Nvidea cut down on stuff to build them cheaper if the drivers had no issues, A770 16GB would look real good right now. Battlemage is sure to be better.About Intel pulling out of new products, who renenbers NForce Motherboards? Google also, Google Plus for 1.

What now?
 
The ARC cards still have issues with bugs in games, to the point where some games crash regularly if the thing runs the game at all.

So do other cards. For example, my 4090 will not run Far Cry (the original one), but that game runs just fine on my A770.
 
What now?

The OP started off strong by choosing obvious dramatic nonsense for the thread title and has built on that with each post.

Which is a shame because there might be a genuine point buried somewhere. But it's buried in their "AGREE WITH ME ABSOLUTELY EVEN IF YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY SENSE OF MY POSTS OR YOU'RE IRRATIONALLY PREJUDICED AND GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY" ranting. Typical authoritarian babble. Vote Prop 10 or you hate children!

I don't care whch company makes the GPU on the graphics card I buy. None of them are my friends. I'd currently prefer to avoid nvidia because they're doing the the worst damage to PC gaming at the moment, but I think that's only because they dominate the market. Alchemist is a mediocre product at a mediocre price and with poor software support. Worse than poor initially, when the cards were released. So I didn't buy one. Maybe Battlemage will be a different story. Intel have certainly learned from Alchemist, particularly on the software side. It's far less bad than it was on release.
 
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The OP started off strong by choosing obvious dramatic nonsense for the thread title and has built on that with each post.

Which is a shame because there might be a genuine point buried somewhere. But it's buried in their "AGREE WITH ME ABSOLUTELY EVEN IF YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY SENSE OF MY POSTS OR YOU'RE IRRATIONALLY PREJUDICED AND GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY" ranting. Typical authoritarian babble. Vote Prop 10 or you hate children!

I don't care whch company makes the GPU on the graphics card I buy. None of them are my friends. I'd currently prefer to avoid nvidia because they're doing the the worst damage to PC gaming at the moment, but I think that's only because they dominate the market. Alchemist is a mediocre product at a mediocre price and with poor software support. Worse than poor initially, when the cards were released. So I didn't buy one. Maybe Battlemage will be a different story. Intel have certainly learned from Alchemist, particularly on the software side. It's far less bad than it was on release.

I see.... :)

There was a time When AMD was similar to how Intel are right now, GPU's that were not as good as Nvidia, drivers that were certainly not as good as Nvidia, a little bit flawed, a little bit buggy, just not quite as bad as Intel right now.

For 8 or 9 years i have been exclusively Nvidia, apart from a 5700XT i had for a few weeks, i actually hate Nvidia 'as a company' but i'm not going to deny the quality of their GPU's over the past 8 years, they are damned good and i love my MSI 2070 Super Gaming X, its long in the tooth now and needs replacing but its been a damned good card.

Today AMD's cards are every bit as good, from a technology point of view actually better, they are MCM and that is a breakthrough, but that in its self is not the point, how reliable are they, how stable are they ecte..? Just as good. AMD also have better drivers in terms of UI and features, the way they handle draw calls is far better so they use less of my CPU just to work.

Nvidia have better RT and DLSS 3, but is RT on a 4060Ti going to be better than it is on a 7700XT? i doubt it, very much, and now AMD have FSR 3.
There is no reason to buy Nvidia over AMD, that is the point AMD have got to now, so my next GPU WILL BE AMD.

When Intel have got to that point i will consider their cards equal to the other two. They are a very long way from that.

Odd that Intel let go of Raja Koduri- he could have developed Arc into something like he did with Vega.

It is Vega, it even behaves the same way in the same games, it being a copy of Vega is half the problem with it, AMD sold those at a loss.
 
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Nvidia has the bigger market share because they have a PR army. But many of the hardware standards were set by AMD and they still hold a lot of patents for it.
 
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So, nothing to do with them having better products?

Depends what you mean by better. Nvidia sometimes achieve higher fps, but at the cost of image quality (the image on geforce is still a bit washed out vs others, more colour banding can be seen too). Geforce cards are also still limited to Displayport 1.4 which limits refresh rate once you get past certain resolutions. Console are all AMD hardware.
 
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The 6700XT is £300, so genuine question, you would buy an ARC card over the 6700XT for the same money, why?

Mainly for the newer feature set.
- Hardware ray tracing/upscaling (+option of XeSS or FSR, link comparison).
- AI/ML acceleration and better workstation performance in some apps (link about optimisation for Stable Diffusion).
- Encode AV1.
- DP 2.0 (at least, on the Sparkle Titan).

and +4GB VRAM, with decent scaling @ higher resolutions being nice too.

Biggest downsides for me, are lower performance and worse power management.
 
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