I don't have time to read the details right now or find out if it's correct but a lot of Labour MPs are currently tweeting that most of the "new" announcements were indeed already existing projects.
why all the hate for hs2?
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I don't have time to read the details right now or find out if it's correct but a lot of Labour MPs are currently tweeting that most of the "new" announcements were indeed already existing projects.
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It's about as likely to happen as Kylie arriving at my door announcing that she wants my body and then dragging me up stairs.
Actually scratch that, Kylie is far more likely to happen.
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I think they are.
The billion to local councils to improve roads has from memory been announced pretty much every time the government have been asked about what they're doing about pot holes, and as it's over 10 years it's not even a fraction of what is needed even if it was new every time.
Saying that TPRU covers most of the electrifcation of lines and upgrades. Don Valley Line is very short, Cumbrian coast upgrade coming due to the new coal mine etc etc.. So all already in progress or funded.
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One MP said theres only one thing worse than a white elephant and thats half a white elephant
Cost, almost half of it building tunnels under Tory shires so it doesn't spoil the view from MP's windows the same reason almost no onshore wind ever gets built
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probably if this lot get their way..... mind you am not convinced Kier Starmer is much better there either.
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I appreciated Spiked is not everyones cup of tea but this article if a fair representation it highlights some of our cultural issues that make these projects impossible.
www.spiked-online.com
Someone somewhere lost track that we were building a trainline not a bureaucratic empire. It has been a problem of the British since the Second World War that we're generally only good in a crisis and the rest of the time we **** about with the trivial.
The HS2 flop reveals Britain’s crisis of ambition
We are incapable of building anything other than diversity, equity and inclusion teams.
www.spiked-online.com
Someone somewhere lost track that we were building a trainline not a bureaucratic empire. It has been a problem of the British since the Second World War that we're generally only good in a crisis and the rest of the time we **** about with the trivial.
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Some people like being lied to over and over again, recent elections prove this. Remember, vote for them because they are good with money.
So if the government reverses a decision from a previous administration based on new information and spiralling costs you class that as 'lying'?
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Be fair to him, he also approved or at least didn't strike off the peerage for one of Boris' friends who is very deeply involved in 200 million plus of dodgy PPE (IIRC the company she recommended via the VIP fraud route appears to be owned via a holding company by her husband from memory)It was Conservatives that gave a go ahead to HS2 in the first place. As for Sunak, he wrote off £4.3bill in COVID payments lost to fraud. And now suddenly he cares about people's money
It was Conservatives that gave a go ahead to HS2 in the first place. As for Sunak, he wrote off £4.3bill in COVID payments lost to fraud. And now suddenly he cares about people's money
So if Labour had scrapped HS2 that would be ok because they wouldn't be 'lying'?
No one is doubting that huge sums of money were wasted during covid but does that then give the government a licence to waste money in the future because they don't 'care'?
What did I say anything about Labour?
My point is I don't believe anything current government says, they are saying they will invest money in Northern infrastructure to offset cancellation of HS2. Just like they said about so called new hospitals.
You seem to be suggesting that the Tory's shouldn't be cancelling HS2 because it makes them 'liars' so my point is would you be ok with Labour cancelling it in the same circumstances as they wouldn't be 'liars'?
Where exactly did I suggest that ?
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It was Conservatives that gave a go ahead to HS2 in the first place. As for Sunak, he wrote off £4.3bill in COVID payments lost to fraud. And now suddenly he cares about people's money
Yeah, it's ignorance.I appreciated Spiked is not everyones cup of tea but this article if a fair representation it highlights some of our cultural issues that make these projects impossible.
The HS2 flop reveals Britain’s crisis of ambition
We are incapable of building anything other than diversity, equity and inclusion teams.
Someone somewhere lost track that we were building a trainline not a bureaucratic empire. It has been a problem of the British since the Second World War that we're generally only good in a crisis and the rest of the time we **** about with the trivial.
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Amazing that this is coming out so quickly after the announcement - just one of the many ways that the cancellation will make it difficult for any future government to complete HS2:
Would not be surprised if the new Euston development group decides to redesign the station with much less platform space too, which would be another way of limiting the future usefulness of the London-Birmingham section, and ensuring the investment so far is wasted.
Would not be surprised if the new Euston development group decides to redesign the station with much less platform space too, which would be another way of limiting the future usefulness of the London-Birmingham section, and ensuring the investment so far is wasted.
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