Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Lord-Jaffa]

Hamas does not represent all Palestinians, they are extremists who have been given far more oxygen than they deserve through the effects of the unjust occupation.

Posts like this one are where the house on fire "this is fine" meme was born from.

 

[Trusty]

This is total nonsense

The US agreed to allow Iran access to $6 billion of their frozen assets as part of a prisoner exchange deal.

Iran are only allowed to access that money directly for humanitarian purposes, and it's all overseen by a third party.

They can just use money from somewhere else. They still have a huge sum of money for some hostages which they didnt have before. The fact that every non-profit geopolitical body was rightly trouncing the deal suggests that it might not have been wise.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Religion is just one of an infinite number of reasons that humans kill each other. At state level, atheist regimes have been (and still are) perfectly happy to wage war and commit crimes against humanity.

True but when your god (or those that tell the masses what their god wants) tells you that the land is holy and it belongs to you and any action is justified to take and keep that land then its only going to end one way.

Of course atheists have carried out terrible atrocities. They haven't done what they did because of their atheism though.

 

[Noughtboy]

Sorry, but why should we take your word for it that a block of flats was a valid military target?

Russia claims all the civvy building they hit in Ukraine are military targets, too. I wouldn't believe Israel any more than I'd believe Putin, in that regard.

My word? Don't take it. I certainly, at this moment do not have any insight into that particular building.

But it has been shown, time and time and time again, that Hamas, Hezbollah, PLO and all of that ilk use civilian infrastructure to house their military units/equipment/caches etc

It has been shown very frequently by IDF/USAF/RAF etc what has been found out alternatively what was stored there... Essentially if a school literally vaporises after a missle strike, they know it was hiding explosives. In that instance, the lack of evidence is often, ironically, proof of evidence.

Lumping Israel into the same category as Russia speaks of an incomplete grasp of the facts (that is the diplomatic version). At this moment, I have yet to see to Israel conducting any 'Special Military Operation"... Rather they are calling it what it is. A state of war with a terrorist group who is hellbent on it's destruction and obliteration from the map whilst driving all it's inhabitants into the sea.

Last I checked, the Israeli constitution does not call for the wholesale murder of Arabs living in Israel.

In fact, even the sovereign Arab nations are tired of the "Palestinian issue". They have come to understand that the Palestinian leadership (not the civilians) are not interested in a solution and have grown tired of their struggles for power at the expense of the civilian majority.

That is why we have seen so much progress with the Abramhic Accords as they want to move on having reached the conclusion that Israel is here to stay, the world is a better place with Israel in it and they want to be a part of that.

 

[FoxEye]

True but when your god (or those that tell the masses what their god wants) tells you that the land his holy and it belongs to you and any action is justified to take and keep that land then its only going to end one way.

Of course atheists have carried out terrible atrocities. They haven't done what they did because of their atheism though.

The point was, take away religion and there will just be other reasons for regions to existing in a state of perpetual war.

And in any case, eradicating religion is completely unrealistic, isn't it?

 

[FoxEye]

My word? Don't take it. I certainly, at this moment do not have any insight into that particular building.

But it has been shown, time and time and time again, that Hamas, Hezbollah, PLO and all of that ilk use civilian infrastructure to house their military units/equipment/caches etc

It has been shown very frequently by IDF/USAF/RAF etc what has been found out alternatively what was stored there... Essentially if a school literally vaporises after a missle strike, they know it was hiding explosives. In that instance, the lack of evidence is often, ironically, proof of evidence.

Lumping Israel into the same category as Russia speaks of an incomplete grasp of the facts (that is the diplomatic version). At this moment, I have yet to see to Israel conducting any 'Special Military Operation"... Rather they are calling it what it is. A state of war with a terrorist group who is hellbent on it's destruction and obliteration from the map whilst driving all it's inhabitants into the sea.

Last I checked, the Israeli constitution does not call for the wholesale murder of Arabs living in Israel.

In fact, even the sovereign Arab nations are tired of the "Palestinian issue". They have come to understand that the Palestinian leadership (not the civilians) are not interested in a solution and have grown tired of their struggles for power at the expense of the civilian majority.

That is why we have seen so much progress with the Abramhic Accords as they want to move on having reached the conclusion that Israel is here to stay, the world is a better place with Israel in it and they want to be a part of that.

Do you not acknowledge that the Palestinians have suffered at the hands of the Israeli occupation? That they have almost no rights and are literally trapped, forced to endure degrading treatment, with no end in sight? And no hope for the future?

 

[NZXT30]

They've been murdering each other for centuries and as long as both sides believe their god has given them that land and has given them the right to murder each other it won't stop. Religion really is a cancer on humanity. The actions by Hamas today have been barbaric, Israel will make Palestinians pay for today and cycle will roll on and on and on.

Yeah because Russia invading Ukraine and UK invading Iraq was all about religion

Most religions do generally more good than bad and no the wokism religion you're part of is not one of them.

 

[throwaway4372]

ugh it's turned into speakers corner.

 

[gingergundog]

The point was, take away religion and there will just be other reasons for regions to existing in a state of perpetual war.

And in any case, eradicating religion is completely unrealistic, isn't it?

True enough that there will be other reasons people may go to war but the religion aspect makes it way way harder to deal with.

 

[B&W]

Hmm I think you are too close to this to be rational. Religion has been driving this for hundreds of years and it will continue to do so until rationality comes before superstition. Not going to happen in my lifetime, the violence will just roll on and on.

Nothing to do with religion, I'm not religious.

Just as I support Ukraine, Khalisthan, Kashmir, Uyghur I will support Palestine.

 

[Noughtboy]

Do you not acknowledge that the Palestinians have suffered at the hands of the Israeli occupation? That they have almost no rights and are literally trapped, forced to endure degrading treatment, with no end in sight? And no hope for the future?

Have the Arabs suffered? Of course. However, you forgot to ask have the Israelis also suffered as a result of indiscriminate terrorism being waged on then from evil men calling for their complete obliteration.

I seem to remember Hamas being democratically elected by the citizens. Surely, if that is who they wanted, then the policy decisions will have to be lived with. You sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

Whenever Hamas/Fatah/Fatah/PA decide to negotiate in good faith and lay down their arms permanently, the Arabs lives will improve immeasurably... Until then both sides will suffer.

 

[Rilot]

Guys, I appreciate that this is an emotive topic, but please debate civilly without throwing personal attacks around.

 

[Subzero85]

Awful situation, makes me glad i grew up when the troubles here in NI were coming to an end, and i didnt see any bother, and we have relative peace now

 

[jeffk]

I seem to remember Hamas being democratically elected by the citizens. Surely, if that is who they wanted, then the policy decisions will have to be lived with. You sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

Hamas were elected by the Palestinians and Netanyahu – and an increasing number of far right ministers – have been elected by the Israelis.

It’s exactly what we saw in Northern Ireland for so long (and are still seeing to some extent). People on both sides feel threatened and so elect harder and harder line leaders, until the absolute maddest people are in charge. Breaking the cycle is incredibly difficult.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Well, if Hamas stops using those and mosques etc as stores for weapons and military headquarters like most civilised people, they wouldn't be targeted, would they.

And your claim they "level civilian neighborhoods" is quite frankly ludicrous. And that song is in a similar vein.

Go check out all the Arab indoctrination of children in schools assumed at bringing up another generation of jihadis.

This conflict is not about peace or land. They could have had both decades ago. This is about power and maintaining flows off money to line the pockets of the terrorists.

Instead of having at go at Israel, you should be having your apoplectic fit at the Hamas terrorist method of "negotiation" with indiscriminate firing of thousands of rockets and going door to door murdering civilians in their homes.

If ISIS/Stop Oil/PETRA did that in the UK you would be supportive of their demands? You would call for moderation in the UK response?

The fact you aren't shows you as one of those I referred to earlier. I have nothing but disdain for you.

More Israeli propoganda talking points and Whataboutism. Hamas are terrorist scum granted, but so is the Israeli state. Israel don't negotiate with Hamas but don't pretend they negotiated with secular Palestinians either

The fact you turn a blind eye to the actual definition of ethnic cleansing speaks to your world view

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

They are known to warn people in advance before the strikes occur. They also dropped a single bomb on the roof first before the strike that occurred later, pretty good indication to get out:

So let's get this clear. Whether you hear their supposed warning shot or not they give everyone on a 10-12 floor building 30 seconds to leave the building otherwise they die. Hard luck to the old lady on the toilet in floor 1 and hard luck to everyone floor 2 and up. Israel and their supporters are all gaslighting the victims of mass murder and ethnic cleansing here.

 

[Richie]

Should be titled "Residential Buildings housing rockets used to fire into Israel, explosives, weapons and sheltering Hamas soldiers and leaders was specifically targeted and destroyed.

Unknown number of enemy combatants liquidated and possibly unfortunate civilian casualties"

Can you see how what you've posted above is a just a little daft?

I'll have a go...

What happened was Israel forcibly removed Jewish Israelis out of Gaza and handed it over to the PA to run as part of a step to achieving peace. They left them with working farms, factories and greenhouses as a source of income and employment. How did that work out? Go read it up.

This should be titled

Israel encouraged Jewish Israelis to leave Gaza as they had left it with salted earth, compromised factories and smashed greenhouses so that the remaining Palestinians had no way to grow anything or form any kind of economy or employment opportunities

See... Just because I said it, doesn't make it fact

As stated many times before by countless commentators... If the Arabs lay down their weapons there will be peace. If the Israelis lay down their weapons they will be murdered down to the last man, woman and child.

Sources?

That is the reality. Anything else anyone claims about resettlement, illegal occupation, wholesale murder and genocide of innocent civilians, the human rights of overwhelming force and uneven death tolls of Israelis Vs Arabs, Apartheid state blah blah is obfuscation and deliberate misdirection.

Just lol... Israel is good, All Palestinians are bad...Israel is good, All Palestinians are bad... Did I get it right?

 

[Craterloads]

That level of revisionism can only come from someone who is Jewish. @Noughtboy jewish ancestry by any chance?

 

[Richie]

They are known to warn people in advance before the strikes occur. They also dropped a single bomb on the roof first before the strike that occurred later, pretty good indication to get out:

What if you live on the top floor? Does the bomb have a 5 min timer before it goes off... You know, as a warning to GTFO?

 

[beachBOYken]

So let's get this clear. Whether you hear their supposed warning shot or not they give everyone on a 10-12 floor building 30 seconds to leave the building otherwise they die. Hard luck to the old lady on the toilet in floor 1 and hard luck to everyone floor 2 and up. Israel and their supporters are all gaslighting the victims of mass murder and ethnic cleansing here.

Are you referring to that video? The picture clearly adjusts after 30secs or so, the image lighting changes so you shouldn’t base your assumptions off that.