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bigmike20vt said:
i am not normally one to post "deals" and i know nothing about the vehicle.
but for anyone needing a practical larger EV this looks bordering on fire sale prices for brand new

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Must be registered by 31st December it says, so they're reaching the point of desperation to get it shifted I expect
 
TBH, this looks a pretty good deal too. I've never really seen these reviewed anywhere.

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It looks pretty basic inside - I recognise a lot of the switchgear from our old 2014 Peugeot 2008. I expect my wife would likely prefer one of these to the Audi (I won't show her :cry: )
 
panthro said:
I bought an eTron 55 S Line sportback today. I've not intentionally been looking to switch to electric but the current offer from Audi and the low PCP prices made me do it. 70 plate in glacier white with sound and comfort packs. 2.5k down and £360 a month over 24 months. Will probably pick it up at the end of the week.
Hoping this will fit into my lifestyle as most of my journeys are short, with a weekly trip to central London. The only long journeys planned are an annual holiday to Europe, but the network is so good over there I'm not worried.
Will hand the car back at the end because the GFV is ridiculous. The car is £36k with a GFV OF 31k.
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That doesnt look like a good deal? Basically you are paying £6,140 of interest on £33,500 borrowed over 2 years so around 9% fixed, 18% APR???????
 
Greebo said:
That doesnt look like a good deal? Basically you are paying £6,140 of interest on £33,500 borrowed over 2 years so around 9% fixed, 18% APR???????
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If you're treating it like a lease on a fairly new car it's not bad. The only equivalent car that is close to that on a lease is a new EQC and it is more expensive with less miles and a slightly lower spec.
 
Bug One said:
TBH, this looks a pretty good deal too. I've never really seen these reviewed anywhere.

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It looks pretty basic inside - I recognise a lot of the switchgear from our old 2014 Peugeot 2008. I expect my wife would likely prefer one of these to the Audi (I won't show her :cry: )
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is it usual to get end of calendar year fire sales? if so i know when i will be replacing my car next time!!!

that is surely not far from cost parity now on a new equivalent spec ICE car?
 
bigmike20vt said:
is it usual to get end of calendar year fire sales? if so i know when i will be replacing my car next time!!!

that is surely not far from cost parity now on a new equivalent spec ICE car?
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It's been that price for a while -

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06/12/2023£22,995
05/12/2023£22,495
15/11/2023£22,995

Seems to be similar deals all over for these.
 
Bug One said:
Aside from the 2010 interior, is there anything else wrong with the car model? New version coming soon? Seems like a steal at that price.
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indeed..... that or a honda E for 10 - 15K more, no wonder no one is buying the honda E any more!, a car that is less practical and far far less range. had my wife not insisted on a hybrid rather than a full EV that would have been the perfect car to replace our written off pug 308.. instead we got an almost 5 year old i3REX for 17k which still had a year of luxury car tax to be paid on it :/ i know which i would prefer!
 
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MrRockliffe said:
My mum couldn’t get her Audi app working the other day to charge at one of the listed chargers. Just wouldn’t authenticate the charging session.


Ended up having to use as a guest and so payed the max rate. £45 for 200 miles :(
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Yeah most public charges are so expensive the price practical makes EV £/mile same as most ICE cars. Crazy mofos.

If you can destination charge, it’s always cheaper and better as well.
 
Bug One said:
Aside from the 2010 interior, is there anything else wrong with the car model? New version coming soon? Seems like a steal at that price.
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There is in effect a new model which looks the same* but has the new drivetrain (underpinning the revised/refreshed models from all the Stelantis group manufacturers). New drivetrain has more power, bigger battery and seems to be more efficient.

None of that however makes the e-c4 any less of a great deal at that price. Only real downside it has is the relative low real world range given the ~47kWh usable battery (IIRC ~ 140-170 miles) and the rather sedate performance from the 136PS motor. None of that being a problem if its known before hand & can be managed day to day.

*I can't remember if the e-C4 has carried on now the e-C4x is also out or if they have been merged into one model.
 
pc-guy said:
Yeah most public charges are so expensive the price practical makes EV £/mile same as most ICE cars. Crazy mofos.

If you can destination charge, it’s always cheaper and better as well.
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We were on a long trip so had no choice but to use a public charger. Wouldn’t have been a problem if the Audi app had worked, as it quoted 44p.

Ended up paying 70+ I think.
 
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The memes coming out in response are quite amusing :p

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VincentHanna said:
Not strictly EV related but does any one have experience coming out of a contract earlier and the costs involved?

Initially leased my Polestar 2 from March 2021 to March 2023. Then extended it for another year (with more miles and a cheaper monthly cost) But my new vehicle lease is a stock vehicle, and available now so I thought I might as well swap ASAP and get an early termination quote - It's only 3 months.

Leaseplan say they won't talk to me, I have to go via the original Broker

The original broker says they have requested the early termination quote twice, and that Leaseplan will email me directly.

Leaseplan said that isn't right, the broker gets it and sends it on to me.

I rang the broker and he said no, they have changed their systems and are taking ages to do anything at the moment.

Am going in circles.

The irony is, the new car is funded by ALD Automotive and they bought Leaseplan back in May.
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Here is their amazing offer after 2 weeks of chasing - £1355.70 inc VAT to Terminate by 23rd December instead of 23rd March.

OR

I can keep the car until the end of my contract and I only have 3 more payments to make of £451.50 + VAT, which totals £1625.40 inc VAT

A difference of £270.

Bearing in mind I am currently 2500 miles below the total annual mileage, I might as well keep it and use it for the dog walks and tip runs and put less miles on my newly leased vehicle!
 
bigmike20vt said:
is it usual to get end of calendar year fire sales? if so i know when i will be replacing my car next time!!!
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For new cars - End of March and Sept (new reg months) can be good for a deal as well as end of quarter (March, June, Sept, Dec) as manufacturers put volume bonuses on for each quarter where dealers will get extra money per car they sell if they register a certain number of cars. Sometimes stretch targets are put out attracting even higher bonuses to dealerships payable to all cars in the quarter.

So if a dealer is almost at the number of registrations they need, they are more likely to do keener deals and even sell at a loss as accessing the extra manufacturer bonuses will more than make up for any loss on that specific unit.

e.g.

Register 100 cars in quarter = £100 bonus per bonnet (£10,000 bonus)
Register 110 cars in quarter = £120 bonus per bonnet (£13,200 bonus) - so, if they are on 108 registrations, they can afford to lose £1,000 on the next couple of deals and still end up £1,200 better off for the dealership department.
 
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Solid state battery packs coming next year. Some said it would never happen (re: the 2027 mass production rumours online), yet here we are, Q4 2024 is when the first cars will hit the market from NIO:

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WeLion reportedly expects to send NIO 150 kWh solid-state batteries at volume in Q2 2024

Days after Chinese automaker NIO showcased the massive range potential of its incoming 150 kWh solid-state batteries, their manufacturer, WeLion,...
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I saw the stream thing the CEO did driving one of these cars non stop for over 650 miles on a charge, quite impressive.

NIO will use the solid-state batteries in a cell-to-pack (CTP) design that removes the need for modules, thus further increasing energy density and, as a result, all-electric range. While we’ve already seen the technology propel NIO’s ET7 sedan, we should expect to see solid-state batteries in plenty more of its current and upcoming models.

As we reported back in October, NIO’s initial tests with WeLion’s energy-dense cells led the automaker to file plans to expand the battery upgrades to 11 additional EV models. This Saturday, during its annual NIO Day event, the automaker will unveil its most premium model to date – an executive flagship sedan called the ET9. No word yet on whether that EV will offer the solid-state CTP technology, but it would make sense given the sedan is expected to debut as NIO’s most technologically advanced offering to date.
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From what I understand is that they are not ‘true’ solid state batteries, they are ‘semi-solid state’ batteries which is effectively a hybrid of the two techniques.

I’m not saying it’s not a good achievement or technology, it’s a step up in density from the best NCA/NMC cells. However, they don’t have the characteristics of what a ‘proper’ solid state battery has.

It’s a great achievement, not sure a 150kwh battery is entirely necessary in a passenger car that can already fit a >100kwh NMC/NCA battery pack but manufacturers need to stroke their egos at the end of the day.

For context, 650 miles of real world range cited in the article will get you from Land’s End to Dundee on a single charge. A cool 10 hours 49 mins driving. Even if you are towing a huge caravan you’d be getting in the region of 400 miles range.

This is a good breakdown of the differences:
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
For context, 650 miles of real world range cited in the article will get you from Land’s End to Dundee on a single charge. A cool 10 hours 49 mins driving. Even if you are towing a huge caravan you’d be getting in the region of 400 miles range.
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There will still be some people claiming this isn’t enough range for their daily commute and that EVs will never catch on though :D
 
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