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I only ever drive between rapid chargers or to places with destination chargers available.I only ever drive for at least 11 hours straight before having to stop for a wee.
If you can think beyond your own personal usage profile there are viable cases for longer range vehicles.
I do, and I can. Not sure why you took it so seriously, there is literally no one who should ever drive that long without stopping, it is frankly dangerous to themselves and other road users.
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IF a car can genuinely do 300 miles worst case scenario then anyone saying they can't make an EV work for them is at the point of just being stubborn imo in 99% of cases
towing large heavy items is still an issue because who wants to unhook their caravan every time they charge but that is a hell of a niche there.
so once we can get that range reliably it's the price of public charging which has to change. it's fine for me where public charging will be WELL under 5% of my electrons but for those using it a lot or all the time even, having that at pushing £1 kWh .is a huge barrier to adoption. electroverse are starting plunge pricing. it's early days . hopefully if that gets more predictable that is something some people can make use off but if it's just very short notice then that can't be relied on either.
towing large heavy items is still an issue because who wants to unhook their caravan every time they charge but that is a hell of a niche there.
so once we can get that range reliably it's the price of public charging which has to change. it's fine for me where public charging will be WELL under 5% of my electrons but for those using it a lot or all the time even, having that at pushing £1 kWh .is a huge barrier to adoption. electroverse are starting plunge pricing. it's early days . hopefully if that gets more predictable that is something some people can make use off but if it's just very short notice then that can't be relied on either.
I've done Portsmouth to Edinburgh without a single wee break, only having to stop to refuel somewhere close to Edinburgh with about 30 miles of range left on the clusterI only ever drive for at least 11 hours straight before having to stop for a wee.
That was an 8 hour drive!
At least with petrol you don't get range variances if it's super cold outside etc, and using other features of the car doesn't affect range either like it does on many EVs.
Knowing that these new EVs have a claimed maximum range of say 650 miles means all variances can be accounted for and even when done so, the range will be higher than the average petrol car.
Yeah semi solid state using a different manufacture process - From what I read before it's due to them wanting to release to productio much sooner and it gives them time to show the concept works whilst in the background improving the scalability of full solid state too. NIO approached CATL iirc for this venture first and CATL didn't play ball, so Welion won the deal instead
I wonder what western brands will be doing, what with all the anti-Chinese tech stuff going on lately.
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It's not necessarily about "not stopping" anyway. It's about not having to limit yourself to stopping at places you can charge, and not having to pay 10x the cost to use a public charger.
I agree, but the assumption is always that "stopping" means you will have the ability to charge. Of all the customer sites I visit I can think of ONE that has visitor charging available.
I could do 2 hours to a customers site, spend an hour there, 2 hours to the next, spend an hour there, then drive 2 hours to my overnight stop. Lets say for arguments sake 300 miles and at no point have I been driving for an unreasonable amount of time.
Another example of someone’s own situation applying to everyone else…
Doesn’t matter how big the battery is if you can’t charge it at home or work on a cheap rate.
Sitting at public chargers waiting to charge at a cost higher than liquid fuel in a car more expensive than a ICE car isn’t really that appealing
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It is if you have kids
To be fair even at 65p per kwh EVs generally are on an even keel with a petrol car. And also sorry to burst your bubble 2nd hand EVs are now in parity with petrol models
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another example of someone who can't read the post they are quoting.
I specifically said once a car can reliably do 300 miles then the issue comes with public charging
how is that not the case?.
Use your own advice - not everyone is sitting in the car waiting for the charge to complete
That's fine a EV isn't suitable for you, and your company car, but I think we established that before? You'll be one of the last people to change unless the company force it on you, and allow you extra charging time for going out of your way.
At least the charging infrastructure is getting much better, and if your company's customer base want to help to hit climate goals and net zero targets they'll have chargers installed as part of that process. Still lots of negative press, so it is too be expected that some with only do it when forced as well.
Depends on the size and weight. I'd be pretty happy with that amount of kw in the 'tank'.
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It does, but people don't seem to be aware of it for some reason. At least 10% worse
So your MPG will drop in cold weather.
And climate control will also use more petrol.
Yeah, to be fair I latched on to your comment as being indicative that there is no need for longer range vehicles because of the usually cited "Don't you stop to pee/eat/whatever" argument. The thing is, I'd like to make the swap as the TSI lump in my company wagon adds zip to the driving experience. It's just a means to make the wheels go round. Longer ranges will help convince the powers that be that we can make EV's work without it impacting company / our time or introducing a load of extra costs (via constant rapid charging) for either us or the company.
I was at Medway services this week and it was interesting seeing the kit going in there. The huge structures behind the stalls lead me to think that these are going to be pretty speedy beasts!
Mpg only drops in cold due to warm up.
The difference really comes down to each car as not all are the same of course. I've found that the difference is maybe ~20 miles from a tank in worst case scenario. The AC pump is variable, it deactivates on throttle application beyond a a certain range etc too which is normal for most modern cars anyway.
Doing lots of short drives where the engine hasn't had a chance to fully warm up yet in colder weather is obviously going to have an impact too. This is more about long drives anyways.
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Similar with an EV to be fair.