It's ok just skip over the other comments that don't fit your agenda.
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It's ok just skip over the other comments that don't fit your agenda.
Firstly I don’t have an agenda.
No point commenting on the rest. Heating a ICE car is using waste heat rather than an electric heater.
‘Climate control’ is about 500-700W if you are referring to aircon which isn’t needed to heat a car. Obviously using aircon in summer to keep car cool os going to use power but this is similar for both
Again we were talking about cold weather where driving along in a motorway in a ICE the car is warm for free and the petrol fuel works the same and doesn’t need heating. An EV you have chemistry challenges and you are using the battery to warm itself and keep the occupants warm.
So no. ICE do not get impacted by a noticeable amount in the cold. Except they take a bit longer to warm up….
How’s that ?
Well you was on about how expensive EVs are along with charging costs.
We get it you don't like EVs nor will you buy one. Not sure why you persist in this thread
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He's got one though and at no opoint mentioned the price of them?
Proper cry babies you lot
Proper cry babies you lot
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Which providers offer less than 65p? Your grammar suggests 65p trends high! Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Not sure that's true at all - colder/denser air increases drag. Lubricants less effective so more friction of moving parts. Increased rolling resistance.
Fuel Economy in Cold Weather
Cold weather and winter driving conditions can significantly reduce fuel economy.
EVs are more affected by cold weather but ICE isn't immune.
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Its fraction of marginally numbers there.
new id7 with 88Kwh might do 300miles - if you sign up for likes of ovo smart charging (compared to octopus say) don't you get an unlimited number of home hours charging,
so could make a good dent in that 88kw, if you sleep in.
seems like id7 isn't doing well in pre-sales in china even at $35K it costs there https://youtu.be/2VP_kaeAJOg?t=263
so could make a good dent in that 88kw, if you sleep in.
seems like id7 isn't doing well in pre-sales in china even at $35K it costs there https://youtu.be/2VP_kaeAJOg?t=263
I actually replied to guy the saying he doesn’t understand why people don’t have an EV now they can do 300miles. I simply said without home charging there is no benefit.
it was a comment on the scenario. Don’t have to assume anything else about me to try and invalidate my opinion.
Ps I own a EV and an ICE
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~Thanks for the press release Pope.
Don’t mention rain then. Or air density. You are talking about tiny numbers. But ok. Again ignore the point and make a strawmanNot sure that's true at all - colder/denser air increases drag. Lubricants less effective so more friction of moving parts. Increased rolling resistance.
Fuel Economy in Cold Weather
Cold weather and winter driving conditions can significantly reduce fuel economy.www.energy.gov
EVs are more affected by cold weather but ICE isn't immune.
Well you don’t need a degree to do 88 x 3.5 for typical motorway use.
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I've no idea why you'd consider it a strawman, I've not been involved previously. You said:
"ICE do not get impacted by a noticeable amount in the cold. Except they take a bit longer to warm up…."
And:
"Mpg only drops in cold due to warm up."
I was simply pointing out both are incorrect.
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The term noticeable is key. Tell me about how an engine runs cooler when it has a thermostat ?
Being an owner of an EV I can tell you that you notice 210 miles becoming 170 in the winter on a regular 185 mile motorway trip I do. I don’t notice my ICE mpg even changing on a motorway run
Being an owner of an EV I can tell you that you notice 210 miles becoming 170 in the winter on a regular 185 mile motorway trip I do. I don’t notice my ICE mpg even changing on a motorway run
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Are you sure?
How Cold Temperatures Affect Car Fuel | Redex
What causes a drop in fuel efficiency during the winter, and is there anything motorists can do to prevent it from happening? We’re here to find out.
www.holtsauto.com
Do Cars Consume More Fuel In Warm Or Cold Weather? | Motor & Wheels
Do you know that the cold winter air is 11% denser than the warm humid air?
motorandwheels.com
Fuel : why does my car use more fuel in winter ? - ViaMichelin Magazine
Cold weather not only makes us shiver but also increases the fuel consumption of our vehicles. What are the reasons for this ? Are there any solutions to ...
www.viamichelin.com
The Effect of Cold Temperatures on Fuel Economy - CleanTechnica
Winter driving conditions and cold temperatures can have a significant effect on a vehicle’s fuel economy. For a conventional gasoline-powered vehicle, fuel economy at 20°F in city driving is about 15% lower than at 77°F. The effect of temperature on electrified vehicles is even more pronounced.
cleantechnica.com
Why does fuel economy drop in winter?
We reveal why fuel economy falls in the winter and what you can do to mitigate the expense of cold weather driving.
mag.toyota.co.uk
How's that?
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15-20% is noticeable.
An engine isn't a homogenous block all at the same temp and the stat only reads one place. You also have other lubricated surfaces (gearbox/drive shafts/CV joints etc.) - all will be affected by temp.
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So bascially they all suggest warm up times, and the wind point and low tyres is just circumstan
A thermostat isnt a sensor...
25C down to -6C is a pretty large swing for data for 'UK winter'
A thermostat isnt a sensor...
25C down to -6C is a pretty large swing for data for 'UK winter'
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See you edited you post before before had chance to respond but did mention EV prices on last page.
Haven't used public chargers for quite some time so hadn't realised that pricing but even at 75p (would be cheaper if subribed to certain providers plans) the cost difference isn't all that big based on current fuel prices
And tbh he says he owns an EV but would like to see proof
Hence my point about no benefit cost wise as public chargers are 20-25p a mile, Petrol 35mpg is 18p a mile. So you are paying more/similar for a massively inconvenient experience if you can’t destination charge (home/work)See you edited you post before before had chance to respond but did mention EV prices on last page.
Haven't used public chargers for quite some time so hadn't realised that pricing but even at 75p (would be cheaper if subribed to certain providers plans) the cost difference isn't all that big based on current fuel prices
And tbh he says he owns an EV but would like to see proof
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