*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[RBImGuy]

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome.

AMD have and have not in the past tried to battle Nvidia on price, including selling at below cost, ATI tried it before them, none of it ever worked, why? Because this market only ever blames Nvidia's opponents for Nvidia's deeds, they have the perfect market position, they can do as they please and when they do AMD cop the fallout from it further diminishing AMD's mindshare and bolstering Nvidia's.

This market is insane and its not going to take much more before even AMD recognise that as a hard truth.

Intel is sinking titanic style.

AMD is well aware of different markets buy the same things differently.
The japanese market is different than the UK market and so on.
So different cpus and gpus can be sold in various ways depending what particular markets desire.
and ppl forget amd isnt a gpu company its a cpu company and the world leader there.

when someone debate a price on a gpu they cant afford due to their parents dont give them money for it.
Having a 6950xt at the price I bought it I got a faster card than 90% of the ocuk consumer forum base owns.
That runs on a 5 year old technology in 4k.

Usual upgrades for me is every 2 generations as the uplifts nowadays isnt from die shrinks as much as fake added frames to boost numbers.

The 9070xt cards will push 7900xtx/4080 level performance delta down in price.
Basically run everything in 4k and below.
Making the 5090 obsolete.

The 9070xt looks to become a card of the decade

 

[ICDP]

had this the other day with someone saying 99% of people undervolt the gpu

I just do not know what world some people inhabit

Exactly. The irony is the people like us who inhabit an enthusiast tech forum and contemplating the merits of a £500 let alone £2000 GPU purchase, are seen as nerds and lunatics by “typical windows users”.

 

[Game]

Exactly. The irony is the people like us who inhabit an enthusiast tech forum and contemplating the merits of a £500 let alone £2000 GPU purchase, are seen as nerds and lunatics by “typical windows users”.

complete nerds

 

[Bidley]

A 9070 XT that competes with a 5070Ti for about the same price as a 5070. Thats going to win mindshare.

A 9070 that beats (not just competes) with a 5070 for £100 less, that’s going to win mindshare.

I think we can all agree on this.

 

[Octoplex7]

Yes @Octoplex7 but we are discussing typical windows users here. You are not describing a typical windows user (or even PC gamer) you are describing you.

I think this is going off topic though.

Actually it is not a description of myself (how could you know that?) and the focus was not "what is the average Windows user" but rather "what should AMD price their 9070XT to be competetive". My argument made reference to the average person being willing to pay more for Nvidia products, when their AMD equivalent typically outperforms them in pure gaming. That is borne out by the fact that Nvidia has something like 80% GPU marketshare. Hence the need for AMD to significantly undercut what is a relatively small bump in performance and an overpriced product stack in the 50 series. 600 quid is too much for the 9070XT assuming it trades blows in raster with a 5070TI. Let's see what they decide.

 

[Octoplex7]

Bad size news (for me at least).

I did some quick "measuring" in PowerPoint of the Powercolor card images that TPU captured. They are bigguns:

• Red Devil ~360mm (though I think 356mm has been confirmed?)
• Hellhound ~340mm
• Reaper ~310mm (this is the only one that would work for me)

[edit] OCD made me do the others I could find

• XFX Merc ~340mm
• XFX Swift ~306mm
• Asus TUF ~390mm
• ASRock Taichi ~326mm*
• ASRock Steel Legend ~290mm*
• ASRock Challenger ~294mm

*skewed pic, lower confidence

Thanks for sharing this. They're pretty big. I'd also want one for my SFF in the living room so it looks like I'll have to make do with an ASRock (only ever owned a motherboard by them and that was a looong time ago now).

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Thanks for sharing this. They're pretty big. I'd also want one for my SFF in the living room so it looks like I'll have to make do with an ASRock (only ever owned a motherboard by them and that was a looong time ago now).

The Sapphire RX9070 Pulse appears to be the shortest:

Sapphire teases Radeon RX 9070 PULSE graphics card - VideoCardz.com

Sapphire has a new Radeon card coming, and it’s a dual-fan design Sapphire and AMD did not showcase the PULSE card at CES, but a new teaser posted by Sapphire on social media suggests its release is imminent. Sapphire is already known to be developing two models: PURE and NITRO+, both of which...

videocardz.com

 

[Legion]

Thanks for sharing this. They're pretty big. I'd also want one for my SFF in the living room so it looks like I'll have to make do with an ASRock (only ever owned a motherboard by them and that was a looong time ago now).

AMD previews Radeon RX 9070 XT and 9070 Series, RDNA4 launches Q1 2025 - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT and non-XT Series announced Today is only the announcement, no specs, performance, pricing, or release date. First, AMD did, in fact, leak its Radeon RX 9070 reference design. The card shown in the marketing materials is the new 9070 XT version, but there’s also a non-XT...

videocardz.com

The AMD MBA card (Made by AMD) looks to be one of the smallest cards that will come to the UK.
It also has a 260w spec, opposed to "up to" 330w on most other cards.

 

[Octoplex7]

AMD previews Radeon RX 9070 XT and 9070 Series, RDNA4 launches Q1 2025 - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT and non-XT Series announced Today is only the announcement, no specs, performance, pricing, or release date. First, AMD did, in fact, leak its Radeon RX 9070 reference design. The card shown in the marketing materials is the new 9070 XT version, but there’s also a non-XT...

videocardz.com

The AMD MBA card (Made by AMD) looks to be one of the smallest cards that will come to the UK.
It also has a 260w spec, opposed to "up to" 330w on most other cards.

Cheers. Going to be interesting to see the performance delta between the various cards and what happens when you pump more wattage through them.

 

[welshrat]

Saw this on another site

https://twitter.com/x/status/1880118882985463887

 

[eeii]

Saw this on another site

https://twitter.com/x/status/1880118882985463887

I could have guessed that aswell.

 

[welshrat]

I could have guessed that aswell.

Lol yes. However if udma is 26 and not the end of it, might be worth the wait.

 

[michty_me]

Lol yes. However if udma is 26 and not the end of it, might be worth the wait.

Any rumours about UDMA so far?

 

[Octoplex7]

Any rumours about UDMA so far?

Yes: https://videocardz.com/newz/next-ge...gship-gpu-line-on-tsmc-n3e-node-claims-leaker

Next-Gen AMD UDNA architecture to revive Radeon flagship GPU line on TSMC N3E node, claims leaker​

 

[kieran_read]

Thanks for at least trying to engage with at least some of my reasoning. I don't mean to be rude but I think one or two people here have totally missed my point.

If I'm using Windows (as opposed to Linux), I'm sacrificing things like customisation, open-source code, security, privacy, stability etc. I'm doing that because Windows might be compatible with the software I like to use, its user friendliness, and out-of-the-box hardware support. I don't want to have to think too much about it, the thing just does what I need it to do. That doesn't mean I'm stupid, I just don't want to spend time tinkering and troubleshooting things as that isn't a profitable use of my time.

If I have an AMD card on Windows, it's an uphill battle getting it to run things like local LLM's which more and more people are doing now and have become easier to operate thanks to software like LM studio. Whereas Linux plays much nicer with AMD cards.
On Windows, I install my Nvidia card, the drivers/app, and I'm good to go. I've got the convenience of Windows, and can use all of the bells and whistles on my Nvidia card. The AMD card on Windows is going to be a gaming focused card for most people. If they want the extra utility and software perks they will unfortunately have to pony up for the green card. And they do. So AMD must (at least for now) be cheap enough to account for that (generally speaking) it is a single-purpose product as opposed to the multi-purpose Nvidia card.

The people that have misunderstood my argument are just proving my point by saying things like the above "when I game, I want raw raster with high IQ, high fps, and stability"...

Anyway. That's enough energy spent on that. Hopefully AMD give us a good price now and make things interesting for gamers this gen.

I don't think people are missing the point.

My issue is more that these arguments are not representative of the overall market. Even if the market for that stuff doubled it still would hardly touch half a percent.

People who follow and keep up to date on tech are a Niche in the market, people like us on this forum are a Niche of that Niche, the people who care about that sort of software and require a specialist GPU to power it are a Niche, within a Niche within a Niche.

If AMD can tickle the 5070ti performance at the 500 to 650 range (650 being the overbuilt AIBs) the 99.9% of people who don't fit into that Niche market would be silly to go team green that's just reality.

Its not that I miss your point, I simply don't understand the focus on a specific issue that so few people talk or care about as how it's used as an argument that the entire market should adapt and cater to them.

And when you say

just proving my point by saying things like the above "when I game, I want raw raster with high IQ, high fps, and stability"...

Right? The ******* audacity, that a Gaming GPU that is advertised for Gamers to primarily used at playing games is talked about in its gaming capacity. HOW DARE THEY!!!

It's not that your point is bad or even wrong it's simply not representative and does not come into the equation when justifying price differences.

I see the market playing out that AMD should own the middle range cards, Nvidia will obviously destroy the top end. How the entry market goes i don't know, we have heard nothing about the 5060 etc. Hopefully the prices for AMD cards are good.

 

[Octoplex7]

The Sapphire RX9070 Pulse appears to be the shortest:

Sapphire teases Radeon RX 9070 PULSE graphics card - VideoCardz.com

Sapphire has a new Radeon card coming, and it’s a dual-fan design Sapphire and AMD did not showcase the PULSE card at CES, but a new teaser posted by Sapphire on social media suggests its release is imminent. Sapphire is already known to be developing two models: PURE and NITRO+, both of which...

videocardz.com

Thanks. 305mm length and 2.5 slots is the absolute size limit for my SFF case.

 

[Octoplex7]

I don't think people are missing the point.

My issue is more that these arguments are not representative of the overall market. Even if the market for that stuff doubled it still would hardly touch half a percent.

People who follow and keep up to date on tech are a Niche in the market, people like us on this forum are a Niche of that Niche, the people who care about that sort of software and require a specialist GPU to power it are a Niche, within a Niche within a Niche.

If AMD can tickle the 5070ti performance at the 500 to 650 range (650 being the overbuilt AIBs) the 99.9% of people who don't fit into that Niche market would be silly to go team green that's just reality.

Its not that I miss your point, I simply don't understand the focus on a specific issue that so few people talk or care about as how it's used as an argument that the entire market should adapt and cater to them.

And when you say


Right? The ******* audacity, that a Gaming GPU that is advertised for Gamers to primarily used at playing games is talked about in its gaming capacity. HOW DARE THEY!!!

It's not that your point is bad or even wrong it's simply not representative and does not come into the equation when justifying price differences.

I see the market playing out that AMD should own the middle range cards, Nvidia will obviously destroy the top end. How the entry market goes i don't know, we have heard nothing about the 5060 etc. Hopefully the prices for AMD cards are good.

You're just reinforcing my point. An AMD GPU that is focused purely on gaming needs to be cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent...

If there were two cards, one AMD and the other Nvidia, and they both had identical VRAM and (raw) gaming performance, and were both the same price, which one would you buy?

 

[PeegeeTips]

had this the other day with someone saying 99% of people undervolt the gpu

I just do not know what world some people inhabit

lol, indeed.
been building my own gaming PC's for over twenty years. never undervolted.
don't even bother to overclock - simply run at stock.

 

[PeegeeTips]

[deleteme]

 

[PeegeeTips]

Thanks for sharing this. They're pretty big. I'd also want one for my SFF in the living room so it looks like I'll have to make do with an ASRock (only ever owned a motherboard by them and that was a looong time ago now).

Bad size news (for me at least).

• SRock Steel Legend ~290mm*
• ASRock Challenger ~294mm

Any chance some of the XT models will be less than 300mm?