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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - (PRE)ORDER DISCUSSION **NO COMPETITOR HINTING**

The contract that is implicit in the vendor taking (and holding) funds for a an advertized price.

Another consideration here, altgough likely peripheral and adjunct, is at no time during the actual transaction or in confirmation of invoice did the vendor convey that pricing could change -- this came well after parties received confirmation and was passively communicated through a message on their site.

In respect of your first paragraph, consumers are passing them then funds knowing that they don’t have stock. Hence ‘pre-order’.

Ultimately, a retailer reserving a right to vary a price is not materially different from a retailer reserving the right to cancel a pre-order, for whatever reason. The consumer is left in no worse position than an outright cancellation. The logical extension of the sort of argument you’re suggesting is that ‘preorders with cancellations’ are (in principle) ‘legally impossible’, which doesn’t feel right to me. Granted, the position will always depend on the very specific facts of the matter. What terms were provided, what was said + when etc.

I expect that no retailer would do this unless it’s ‘absolutely necessary’, for the obvious reason that it would be extremely annoying to consumers (even if it was lawful).

If a consumer was to ask me what they should do if a retailer increase a price mid-preorder, I would tell them to be pragmatic:

- Accept the higher price, or cancel and take your money elsewhere and don’t bother with that retailer or pre-orders in the future if that annoys you.
- Anything else is wasting your time and, generally speaking, you should never waste time, energy, stress (and definitely don’t take on ‘legal costs risk’) over ‘peanuts’ unless you feels it’s necessary because of critical personal importance.

^^^ I, personally, wouldn’t be any more bothered than that. If anyone on the forum finds themselves in that sort of position in this 50 series launch, that’s the ‘wisdom’ I would offer.

Meanwhile, if a retailer was to ask me how they should arrange pre-orders / reserve the right to increase prices, I would say it ought to be fine to have pre-orders so long as you do whatever you can to avoid circumstances in which you might annoy consumers:

- be transparent about how it works upfront;
- be clear in your terms;
- keep consumers updated;
- don’t raise prices for reasons other than commercially essential reason;
- if you do raise prices there is a chance that someone will be materially annoyed and then you’ll waste time and energy in dealing with it (and time = cost);
- you mitigate wasting time / cost and avoid annoying people by only taking preorders that you think you can fulfil for that price;
- all said and done, remember also that getting out of bed has ‘risk’ and you need to live and learn, so don’t agonise; make an informed commercial choice as to whether it’s worth it and just get on with it.

… and if I were hypothetically a judge (!) and this came across my desk, depending on the facts and as long as the retailer had been transparent, I’d probably rule in favour of the retailer but make a costs order against them <— retailer’s fault for letting it get that far. Not that it would.

And if either party then started to chuff in advance and talk about “taking matters to court”, which has massive time / costs risk, I would give either party a well-deserved slap / MSI dragon punch :o :p

I’ll end my contributions on the subject there as it’s all a bit off topic and there isn’t much left to say :)
 
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So there is no way to know what queue number you are when you ordered from OCUK?
Unfortunately not. With the 9800X3D launch they did give some guides with regards to when you might receive the product depending on the time you ordered. However, this seems a lot less easy to predict, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
 
So there is no way to know what queue number you are when you ordered from OCUK?
Judging by the "sold" numbers shown on the store that day they didn't take many pre-orders anyway, so I don't think you'd be that far back regardless.

As for more specific ETAs I guess it depends whether Gibbo will do his forum post updates like he's done in the past for previous launches, or they continue coming out with blog posts.
 
Just seen a MSI tweet on X or twitter, you can enter a lottery with them and if you win you get to buy, yes buy, a 5090.

Holy moly, so, now you don’t win a graphic card, but a chance to deplete your bank account to buy a 5090, can’t make these things up.:rolleyes:

Thanks for the heads up. I'd be buzzing if I won as they were selling at MSRP.
 
Just seen a MSI tweet on X or twitter, you can enter a lottery with them and if you win you get to buy, yes buy, a 5090.

Holy moly, so, now you don’t win a graphic card, but a chance to deplete your bank account to buy a 5090, can’t make these things up.:rolleyes:
Hiya mate. I can't seem to find the tweet. Is it MSI UK?
 
Just seen a MSI tweet on X or twitter, you can enter a lottery with them and if you win you get to buy, yes buy, a 5090.

Holy moly, so, now you don’t win a graphic card, but a chance to deplete your bank account to buy a 5090, can’t make these things up.:rolleyes:

Hiya mate. I can't seem to find the tweet. Is it MSI UK?

It's MSI USA:

"Only residents in the lower 48 states can enter and participate"
 
Just seen a MSI tweet on X or twitter, you can enter a lottery with them and if you win you get to buy, yes buy, a 5090.

Holy moly, so, now you don’t win a graphic card, but a chance to deplete your bank account to buy a 5090, can’t make these things up.:rolleyes:
Why would you win one for free? Of course you would still have to buy it lol.
 
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It's MSI USA: "Only residents in the lower 48 states can enter and participate" Move to the US, win competition, come back. Sounds simple enough if not for the orange man in power.
 
Sorry to say and prob will **** a few of but i wish every one would Boycott these card from all sellers in the UK as there so over priced its a joke, i would have to sale a kidney to buy 1 what a joke and to make things worse you watch reviews from the states and they tell you how much the cards are there .. and yes its a lot less than they are here.
Not impressed.
 
Why would you win one for free? Of course you would still have to buy it lol.
Not so, MSI have been on twitter with the same competitions before launch or should I say paper launch, you could win a vanguard or any other 5090 they had in there line up if you tweeted the name etc…, it was all over the world including the UK as I entered every one of them.

Then came launch and we know what happened and now the comps are now lotto tickets to buy one, bit different to winning one, but the point is it shows how low the stock really is.

Hiya mate. I can't seem to find the tweet. Is it MSI UK?
Yes, it’s the USA at the moment, but that was the same as MSI tweets for winning one and they were USA then I noticed it was all over the world including the UK.

If the tweet does come up for the UK, I will post it up here.
 
I've just noticed there is a £2000 5080 for sale on OCUK, SOLD OUT !!!! Or an air-cooled £1800 model :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

hahahahaha, who in the **** is buying that, total morons!!!
Not all SKU's have actually been in stock yet, so they might not have sold any and it does say prices may change when available.. but yes from what we have seen OCUK are charging silly prices and anyone paying that is mental.
 
Not all SKU's have actually been in stock yet, so they might not have sold any and it does say prices may change when available.. but yes from what we have seen OCUK are charging silly prices and anyone paying that is mental.
I think some they increased the price after they already sold out too. Though I guess that still means they intend to sell them at those prices at some point?
 
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