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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - (PRE)ORDER DISCUSSION **NO COMPETITOR HINTING**

Dave2150 said:
There's lots of conflicting information out there. The average Chinese worker gets one day off for the New Year. Of course senior/management positions get more or can afford to take more, though these are not the staff positions that are boxing cards or doing the manual labour jobs not covered by automation.

Also, the manufacturing lines are very highly automated these days, further decreasing needed labour.

This week we've seen many cards come into stock (there's an app showing stock drops) and we've seen people get cards from OCUK and other retailers, so stock has not stopped yet at least. Hopefully things continue without a complete stoppage of deliveries!
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I'm just explaining my experience from our Chinese factory (making electronic goods) to our PCB and plastic moulding suppliers. All shut down approx 23th Jan and starting to re-open this weekend - so a 2 week break. (I've also visited/worked with plastic moulding factories used by recognised companies like M$ & Casio).

Quite a lot of the factory workers come from rural areas, where they leave their families and work and live in the in factories, to return to their family for the CNY break. People I've spoken with have 12-14hr bus rides to go and see their partners/children - it's brutal. Some workers also just stay home and don't return, so there's often a recruitment drive straight away after the festival and it can take time to get a full workforce again.

I agree that more stuff is being automated, but with the labour-rates what they are, a surprising amount isn't.

I think someone is pulling your leg if they're saying it's just 1 day off.
 
Perhaps the "1 day off" thing comes from the fact that there's just a 1 day public holiday, but most workers augment it with what little paid time off they get? I've worked with a large Japanese contractor where the same thing happened every year around Golden Week in late April/early May.
 
if someone is spending over three n a half grand on saink thats worth 2 then he must be a millionaire, ultra desperate or a hardcore enthusiast, i think i'll wait untill they become available

btw, in 6 weeks Nvidia will launch all of their non consumer professional cards, i bet on day one there will be an overflow of stock.
 
Halliphax said:
I’d be more inclined to think that they’ll simply increase the price worldwide to cover the tariff cost for the yanks whom are their biggest market.




It’s written on their 50 series page:

“
  • Price Drops: If the final price is lower than your pre-order price, we’ll refund you the difference.
  • Price Increases: If the final price is higher, we’ll notify you in advance so you can either accept the difference or cancel your order.
“

Now, one would assume that prior to the MSRP hike (and if the exchange rate stayed as it was) then nobody would pay extra or less. Remains to be seen if they’ll charge customers more and by how much.
The plus side here is that they don’t inflate their margins and I largely believe it (the asking price for the cards I saw seemed to be around what I expected).


Here’s what I’m most interested in: OCUK obviously have their own projected profits and they’ve lumped on £300 in some cases (i.e the Astral). Will OCUK respect that implemented inflation or will they now raise the price again and pass their “loss” onto the customer (despite obviously charging far higher than everywhere else already).
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This isn't in the t&cs though and at no point did they spell this out during the pre-ordering process (IIRC), they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court imo.
 
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DereksDontRun said:
If they weren't shipped before the Chinese New Year then it could be a couple weeks. Most of China manufacturing have been off for their holidays (most are off 10-14 days to travel from the factories back to their families - often massive distances) - my work has a factory there and some started to return yesterday, with it getting back up to full speed on Mon.

Assuming the next shipment of global stock is now waiting on China to start dispatching goods after their holiday, (best case scenario is assembled units in boxes, waiting to go) we're now at the mercy of UPS and customs... Anything we get air-freighted from our factory takes approx a week to travel and clear customs - so any already assembled stock waiting to be dispatched could potentially start to arrive the tale end of next week. A more cost-effecting option is sea-freight, and you're looking more like 6 weeks...

Being a cynic, if they pushed through all assemblies nearly done and made sure as much as possible was shipped before the holidays (instead of sitting at the docks) then you might need to add in extra time for the assembly lines to kick in... piece of string... possibly days, possibly weeks... who knows...

It's a crazy time to launch something made in China.
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didnt someone mention that nvidia card are made in tawain, unless they do a tawain new year thing
 
scubes said:
How are all use enjoying your card are use happy with them...
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I'd give the FE a 5/10 right now.

Drivers are flaky, they had a hissy fit for some reason and decided to stop the card from boosting and would only start again after a DDU reinstall. Seen it happen to a couple of other people as well.

No fan stop on the FE, lowest the fans go is 30%/1200RPM so sat there at idle whirring away. Pretty bad coil whine which I've mostly solved with an undervolt.

Going to give it another week or so before deciding to either return it and put my nice quiet 4090 back in, or put up with it until I can get a decently priced AIB model.
 
MrE333 said:
This isn't in the t&cs though and at no point did they spell this out during the pre-ordering process (IIRC), they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court imo.
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Oh I agree, if it was challenged legally they’d fold before it even got a sniff of a courtroom.

If the cost of having a lawyer send a “what the **** are you playing at” letter was half or less than the cost of the price increase while in the queue I’d seriously consider that route, personally.
 
Ascendancy said:
I'd give the FE a 5/10 right now.

Drivers are flaky, they had a hissy fit for some reason and decided to stop the card from boosting and would only start again after a DDU reinstall. Seen it happen to a couple of other people as well.

No fan stop on the FE, lowest the fans go is 30%/1200RPM so sat there at idle whirring away. Pretty bad coil whine which I've mostly solved with an undervolt.

Going to give it another week or so before deciding to either return it and put my nice quiet 4090 back in, or put up with it until I can get a decently priced AIB model.
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I stop going with reference/FE models, the AIB experience is so much better, worth it for a few bucks more, but not scalped pricing haha.
 
Ascendancy said:
I'd give the FE a 5/10 right now.

Drivers are flaky, they had a hissy fit for some reason and decided to stop the card from boosting and would only start again after a DDU reinstall. Seen it happen to a couple of other people as well.

No fan stop on the FE, lowest the fans go is 30%/1200RPM so sat there at idle whirring away. Pretty bad coil whine which I've mostly solved with an undervolt.

Going to give it another week or so before deciding to either return it and put my nice quiet 4090 back in, or put up with it until I can get a decently priced AIB model.
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Interesting, thanks for the review.

Tbh I think the experience needs to be at least 8/10 at these sorts of prices for me to be ‘OK’ with it (i.e. not return it).

Silence at idle for me is a must. Don’t even like the tiniest bit of fan whirr from case fans or whatever.
 
Nitefly said:
Interesting, thanks for the review.

Tbh I think the experience needs to be at least 8/10 at these sorts of prices for me to be ‘OK’ with it (i.e. not return it).

Silence at idle for me is a must. Don’t even like the tiniest bit of fan whirr from case fans or whatever.
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Only thing going for it is it was 'only' £1939.

Is paying £500+ extra worth it for silence? I'm personally leaning towards 'Yes' :D
 
Ascendancy said:
I'd give the FE a 5/10 right now.

Drivers are flaky, they had a hissy fit for some reason and decided to stop the card from boosting and would only start again after a DDU reinstall. Seen it happen to a couple of other people as well.

No fan stop on the FE, lowest the fans go is 30%/1200RPM so sat there at idle whirring away. Pretty bad coil whine which I've mostly solved with an undervolt.

Going to give it another week or so before deciding to either return it and put my nice quiet 4090 back in, or put up with it until I can get a decently priced AIB model.
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Pretty sure the FE does have fan stop? Saw some people posting about it not working because of 3rd party tools/fan curves etc. I'll check mine tonight.
 
Sin_Chase said:
Pretty sure the FE does have fan stop? Saw some people posting about it not working because of 3rd party tools/fan curves etc. I'll check mine tonight.
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If you find a video of someone demonstrating it, or confirm that yours works properly hit me up. Afterburner won't even let me set it below 30% and I've seen numerous posts complaining about it.

If I can solve that it would bump it up to a 7/10 :p
 
Ascendancy said:
If you find a video of someone demonstrating it, or confirm that yours works properly hit me up. Afterburner won't even let me set it below 30% and I've seen numerous posts complaining about it.

If I can solve that it would bump it up to a 7/10 :p
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Ill check when I get home.

I swear I saw mine idling at 55 deg C with a fan stop but I may be mistaken.
 
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