*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is what i think.

I think you are missing a bigger problem and it ain't any of Steve from HUB's take on anything.

It's the whales,saying just because Nvidia is overpricing their rubbish cards, AMD should also charge Nvidia prices.

They are begging Nvidia/AMD to charge them more.

This is exactly the same crap,Rollo from the Nvidia Focus Group pushed years ago by trying to push higher priced graphics cards as "good". People who couldn't afford higher prices were implied to be poor and the customers served the companies needs spiel. Totally getting free gear for "evaluation" from Nvidia obviously had nothing to do with it.

These same whales which defend all the microtransactions and huge AAA gaming prices. These whales were attacking journalists who criticised these poor practices.

These soccalled PCMR gamers are 100% the reason this is happenning. Bunch of elitists - I don't blame one bit Nvidia or AMD doing this now.

This is 100% on people actively compaigning to be ripped off. With such weak willed consumers,no wonder companies stopped caring.

 

[Journey]

They need to replace the 7900 GRE, lets face it with the UV/OC that was a bonkers billy bargain of a card. When GPU's are more than the cost of an entire console and games library you've already lost a good proportion of an audience that loves gaming.
Get something out at £499 that is significantly better than what a console can offer, and people will review it well, and it will then be in demand (ARC B580's anyone?)people are fickle, but branding isn't always the be all and end all. AMD can do it if they want, but perhaps they don't want, maybe they are happy with status quo?

 

[humbug]

I think you are missing a bigger problem and it ain't any of Steve from HUB's take on anything.

It's the whales,saying just because Nvidia is overpricing their rubbish cards, AMD should also charge Nvidia prices.

They are begging Nvidia/AMD to charge them more.

This is exactly the same crap,Rollo from the Nvidia Focus Group pushed years ago by trying to push higher priced graphics cards as "good". People who couldn't afford higher prices were implied to be poor and the customers served the companies needs spiel. Totally was his own original thoughts after getting free gear for "evaluation" from Nvidia.

TheSE same whales which defend all the microtransactions and huge AAA gaming prices. These whales were attacking journalists who criticised these poor practices.

These soc called PCMR gamers are 100% the reason this is happen. Bunch of elitists - I don't blame one bit Nvidia or AMD doing this now.

This is 100% on people actively compaigning to be ripped off. With such weak willed consumers,no wonder companies stopped caring.

They aren't charging Nvidia prices. Read what i said again only this time think a little about it.

AMD listen up... Steve's problem with this is that unless the 9070 XT is $550 the 5070 Ti will not drop to $750, he only cares about what you prices your GPU's at so far as it effects what Nvidia do, he doesn't have the conkers to go as hard as he needs to at Nvidia so he's putting it all on you, you will never gain marketshare with pricing, Nvidia will always keep with in a percentage of your GPU's pricing, that percentage is what people like this have set as the president for Nvidia's added value, they created this situation and now they need you to comply with it.

 

[humbug]

Steve has said it himself numerous times, he thinks AMD can gain marketshare being 40% cheaper, that he deems 20% as Nvidia's added value, so all Nvidia have to do is remain 20% more expensive than AMD, no matter what AMD do, ergo its impossible for AMD to gain marketshare, because that's the president that's been set.

 

[uscool]

AMD listen up... Steve's problem with this is that unless the 9070 XT is $550 the 5070 Ti will not drop to $750, he only cares about what you prices your GPU's at so far as it effects what Nvidia do, he doesn't have the conkers to go as hard as he needs to at Nvidia so he's putting it all on you, you will never gain marketshare with pricing, Nvidia will always keep with in a percentage of your GPU's pricing, that percentage is what people like this have set as the president for Nvidia's added value, they created this situation and now they need you to comply with it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1893105494967152877

What's wrong with $550 ? Doesn't seem unreasonable ? For card aiming for mainstream That's replacing 7800xt/7900gre/7900XT ?

What do you consider reasonable $600-$700 ?

 

[humbug]

What's wrong with $550 ? Doesn't seem unreasonable ? For card aiming for mainstream That's replacing 7800xt/7900gre/7900XT ?

What do you consider reasonable $600-$700 ?

I've already said it, $600, effectively a 7900 XTX for $600.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

They aren't charging Nvidia prices. Read what i said again only thins time this a little about it.

Steve and AMD can say whatever they want. Remember these are base prices,which means most cards will be above this with no reference model.

What is concerning these gamers are suggesting $550 is too "low" because Nvidia is doing an Apple and charging ripoff prices for rubbish cards.

The RTX5070TI is a POS card even at $720. It is only 33% faster than a $600 RTX4070 Super:

https://tpucdn.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-tuf-oc/images/relative-performance-2560-1440.png

It should be at best $600 and ideally less. An RX7900XTX is only 35% faster than a $550 RX7900GRE.

The value of BOTH these cards is around $550 to $600 at best. Those people attacking him,are just defending shrinkflation.

So if the RTX6060 was $1000 with RTX4080 performance,and the RX6060XT had the same performance for $950,would that make the next generation look fine? Nope.

More of this nonsense "relative" pricing rubbish from the anti-consumerists and I said this for years. People need to stop falling for this cartel price fixing.

What's wrong with $550 ? Doesn't seem unreasonable ? For card aiming for mainstream That's replacing 7800xt/7900gre/7900XT ?

What do you consider reasonable $600-$700 ?

Who knows with so called gamers nowadays? Some literally buy used water from Twitch streamers.

It's become this: https://www.engadget.com/2011-05-17-bbc-loving-apple-looks-like-a-religion-to-an-mri-scan.html

 

[humbug]

I want AMD to keep in the game CAT.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I want AMD to keep in the game CAT.

Me too,but these people are implying $750 to $900 for an Nvidia card is acceptable,so AMD should do similar.

This is what you are missing - they are accepting Nvidia pricing.

It's a disaster for the sub £500 arena where most cards are sold. The shrinkflation is getting worse and worse - everyone I know is keeping their cards longer and longer.

If this is another cartel price fixed generation,I honestly give up. Will stick to Indie games and older games.

I don't want £600 60 series cards and in some ways we are already there,but just not in name.

 

[humbug]

Me too,but these people are implying $750 to $900 for an Nvidia card is acceptable,so AMD should do similar.

This is what you are missing - they are accepting Nvidia pricing.

It's a disaster for the sub £500 arena where most cards are sold. The shrinkflation is getting worse and worse - everyone I know is keeping their cards longer and longer.

Be it $550 or $650 AMD will sell the same number of GPU's, i'm meeting them in the middle, $600, i think that reasonable for what is effetely a 7900 XTX.

As i said before these things cost a lot of money to develop, AIB's need a profit, retailers need a profit, they are only ever going to be at most 20% cheaper than Nvidia, they will never be 40% cheaper, Nvidia will see to that.

 

[Bidley]

Well, in amongst the Nvidia thread(s) refugees' weekly invasion was a very interesting bit of info...

Can we highlight the fact that AMD is apparently asking reviewers for pricing opinions? That seems insanely positive to me.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Well, in amongst the Nvidia thread(s) refugees' weekly invasion was a very interesting bit of info...

Can we highlight the fact that AMD is apparently asking reviewers for pricing opinions? That seems insanely positive to me.

$550 was RX7900GRE pricing,and an RX7900XTX is about 30% faster.

HUB said $550,because they clearly know what the performance is like as they have the cards in hand. That is what some on here are missing.

But when their own community was outraged it was too low,what message does that send to AMD? Not a good one at all,especially those defending those sorts of comments.

So if the price is much higer,blame the community not AMD.

hey need to replace the 7900 GRE, lets face it with the UV/OC that was a bonkers billy bargain of a card. When GPU's are more than the cost of an entire console and games library you've already lost a good proportion of an audience that loves gaming.
Get something out at £499 that is significantly better than what a console can offer, and people will review it well, and it will then be in demand (ARC B580's anyone?)people are fickle, but branding isn't always the be all and end all. AMD can do it if they want, but perhaps they don't want, maybe they are happy with status quo?

30% over an RX7900GRE would give you almost an RX7900XTX.

Be it $550 or $650 AMD will sell the same number of GPU's, i'm meeting them in the middle, $600, i think that reasonable for what is effetely a 7900 XTX.

As i said before these things cost a lot of money to develop, AIB's need a profit, retailers need a profit, they are only ever going to be at most 20% cheaper than Nvidia, they will never be 40%, Nvidia will see to that.

The problem is from reading these comments,these people think even higher is fine. The big issue what happens if your 9070XT is $700 and the 9070 is $600?

A 9060XT at $500? Some people on here said JHH wanted a mainstream card to be the price of a console. Not sure if its true,but it seems that way.

 

[humbug]

Well, in amongst the Nvidia thread(s) refugees' weekly invasion was a very interesting bit of info...

Can we highlight the fact that AMD is apparently asking reviewers for pricing opinions? That seems insanely positive to me.

If AMD think they can manage $550 then great, i'm happy, but they aren't going to sell more GPU's.

If not i don't think Nvidia deserve anything more than a 20% premium.

 

[humbug]

$550 was RX7900GRE pricing,and an RX7900XTX is about 30% faster.

HUB said $550,because they clearly know what the performance is like as they have the cards in hand. That is what some on here are missing.

But when their own community was outraged it was too low,what message does that send to AMD? Not a good one at all,especially those defending those sorts of comments.

So if the price is much higer,blame the community not AMD.



30% over an RX7900GRE would give you almost an RX7900XTX.


The problem is from reading these comments,these people think even higher is fine. The big issue what happens if your 9070XT is $700 and the 9070 is $600?

A 9060XT at $500? Some people on here said JHH wanted a mainstream card to be the price of a console. Not sure if its true,but it seems that way.

Hypotheticals CAT, i only deal with what is.

 

[uscool]

If AMD think they can manage $550 then great, i'm happy, but they aren't going to sell more GPU's.

If not i don't think Nvidia deserve anything more than a 20% premium.

I don't know how they won't sell more GPUs if it's $550 I think they'll fly off the shelves if the performance is what we expecting

 

[humbug]

I don't know how they won't sell more GPUs if it's $550 I think they'll fly off the shelves if the performance is what we expecting

Nvidia will just drop the price of the 5070 Ti, over night, they we are back to square one, how should AMD then respond to that to gain that marketshare? drop another 20%? now they are $450?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Hypotheticals CAT, i only deal with what is.

The big issue is Nvidia only tried all it's games,despite many reviewers pushing back because people actively defended the high prices. Look at the amount of arguments about the Kepler Geforce Titan MK1 I had on here. I literally said this would eventually force 60 series prices up which happened.

Or the massive RTX4070 thread where people essentially defended the RTX3060TI replacement going from $400 to $600. People called me all sorts in those threads.

I told people this would only enable these companies to do even worse. It just happened Nvidia.

Read the the comments HUB quoted or who replied to them.$550 is insane because stores are charging $900 for an Nvidia card. Or Steve should shut-up because nobody cares because Nvidia/AMD can sell cards to data centres.

So these people are defending $750 to $900 Nvidia pricing as being fine and AMD should join in and justify this.

Now,if enough people feel OK with significantly higher pricing,then AMD will charge that.

It's what happened with game prices and microtransactions too. People defended companies doing it,because somebody else did it. Soon games were infected with it.

Thank goodness Indie and AA devs exist.

 

[fs123]

I will be interested in a card than can offer around 7900XTX/4080S performance for less than £600. At the moment the 5070Ti is too expensive and judging by how the 4070S stayed over £750 for most of it's life, I don't see myself buying a 5070Ti since it will not reach my buy in price.
If AMD decides to price the 9070XT at $700 then I'm waiting for next gen instead. However, If the card is competitive and within my budget then I will get it.

 

[humbug]

If AMD put these out at $550 the moment Nvidia drop the price of the 5070 Ti to $650 Steve from HUB will tell his audience to buy that because the Radeon GPU is too expensive.

AMD can't win.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

If AMD put these out at $550 the moment Nvidia drop the price of the 5070 Ti to $650 Steve from HUB will tell his audience to buy that because the Radeon GPU is too expensive.

AMD can't win.

Who gives a damn about what Steve or any other reviewers say? Nvidia can go and keep a $650 RTX5070TI.

We have FPS numbers and prices. We can make our own charts.

I will be interested in a card than can offer around 7900XTX/4080S performance for less than £600. At the moment the 5070Ti is too expensive and judging by how the 4070S stayed over £750 for most of it's life, I don't see myself buying a 5070Ti since it will not reach my buy in price.
If AMD decides to price the 9070XT at $700 then I'm waiting for next gen instead. However, If the card is competitive and within my budget then I will get it.

The RX7900XT could be had for £600 to £650,so once the card gets closer to £700 we need to compare it relative to an RX7900XT.