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[humbug]

CAT if you think the 5070 will be a better GPU for its money you should buy that.

you really do swing from one drama llama post to another don't you. you must be shockingly highly strung in real life

That's your take?

 

[Thekwango]

That's your take?

it is yes, you seem overly emotional about all this. not meant as an insult or owt, you just seemed to get very carried away with it all.

 

[TNA]

The only corp I care about is Me Inc.

This really.

People are able to put either nvidia or amd ahead though somehow.

 

[humbug]

it is yes, you seem overly emotional about all this. not meant as an insult or owt, you just seemed to get very carried away with it all.

You don't understand critical thinking, no insult intended.

 

[Thekwango]

You don't understand critical thinking, no insult intended.

oh ok, you want to go down that route. i fully understand critical thinking - but you need to grow up and stop getting so worked up about graphic card pricing. posting crap like 'it's all a bit **** our hobby is dead' is nothing to do with critical thinking but all about you being overly worked up. take a breather fella.

 

[humbug]

oh ok, you want to go down that route. i fully understand critical thinking - but you need to grow up and stop getting so worked up about graphic card pricing. posting crap like 'it's all a bit **** our hobby is dead' is nothing to do with critical thinking but all about you being overly worked up. take a breather fella.

Now whose emotional...

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

CAT if you think the 5070 will be a better GPU for its money you should buy that.

?? Re-read what I said. They literally have said an RX9070XT has to be price below an RTX5070.

 

[Thekwango]

Now whose emotional...

huh? how am i emotional....you're a strange one dude.

 

[humbug]

?? Re-read what I said. They literally have said an RX9070XT has to be price below an RTX5070. S

S? as in Super?

 

[Game]

I am streaming BG3, Total War and Indy just fine. Maybe you should think about joining the Apple M4 Mini game streaming master race where there is no noise, no heat and nothing for people to rob.

and again with the streaming

most people in the uk do not have the bandwidth to stream unless you are very very lucky 15-30gb is the most common speeds

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

S? as in Super?

Typo. I just wanted to clarify their stance on the RTX5070. I have a feeling AMD will get nul points. Looks like AMD is screwed!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I am streaming BG3, Total War and Indy just fine. Maybe you should think about joining the Apple M4 Mini game streaming master race where there is no noise, no heat and nothing for people to rob.

At the rate graphics cards are going up in price,it will be cheaper to become an Apple uberfan!

 

[humbug]

Typo. I just wanted to clarify their stance on the RTX5070. Looks like AMD is screwed!

The 4070 need's to gain 55% in raster and 45% in RT to match the 9070 XT, that would also only give the 5070 Ti about a 10% advantage in raster, do you really think Nvidia would compete with their own GPU at £540 when that competing GPU starts at £850?

 

[uscool]

5070 is DOA sandwiched between 9070 and 9070xt

 

[humbug]

5070 is DOA sandwiched between 9070 and 9070xt

They certainly aren't going to have it kill off the 5070 Ti with a £540 alternative.

 

[Poneros]

But then you put out a price which is lower than a $540 RTX5070 which is what YOU stated. RTX5070 is $540 and you think in the context of that the RX9070XT should be $500. I mentioned the RTX5070 to see your response.

Here's where you're not hearing me and perhaps I should've been more explicit: I do not care about the 5070 for myself at all. There's no way I buy it unless they flog it for $300. There are certain thresholds of performance and VRAM for an upgrade and that means what we see from the 5070 Ti as a minimum and really only for its MSRP of $750 (and if lower, so much the better!). I was actually eyeing the 5090 for this gen but the launch soured me, so now I'd go for a more middling upgrade like the 5070 Ti but not in a rush.

So I will ask you again to clarify a few things,based on assuming AMD or Videocardz isn't fibbing about numbers:
1.)Assume the RX9070XT is as fast as RX7900XTX in rasterised

It wouldn't matter to me. I have enough raster performance for now and the hassle and cost of an upgrade wouldn't be worth making, plus even the XTX can't do the things in raster that I'd want from it (like some older, or not so old, games at 8K 60 for that sweet super-sampling).

2.)Assume the RX9070XT is around RTX4070 Super to RTX4070TI in an average of RT games

That 4070 Ti perf equivalent would be acceptable IF it also applied to PT CP2077.

3.)Assume the RTX5070 is an RTX4070 Super in rasterised/RT(maybe even an RTX4070TI in RT)

So around parity in RT(let's say 10% better for Nvidia,because we all love Nvidia here),and the AMD card offering 20% to 30% better rasterised performance and 33% more VRAM.

Now using these assumptions,if the RX9070XT was priced the same as RTX5070,what would you get and why? Not $500,but say $550 which is around the same price.

I'd lean towards the 9070 XT in that case so long as FSR 4 is good, I see them hustle with game integrations and the driver updates pick up. This latter point in particular has massively downgraded AMD value for me in the past year. That's why I'm also more negative on AMD and the upcoming launch and all the positive assumptions people make because I know the reality of it, not what and how I wish it were. It's a situation of 'penny wise, pound foolish' atm, so that's why now when it comes to buying AMD for the discount it has to be a big one to even consider again.

 

[uscool]

Cyberpunk 2077 not my cup of tea , is it the same game or they added dlc to story line ? Or people just replaying the same game again and again just checking out new tech demo feature added ?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Here's where you're not hearing me and perhaps I should've been more explicit: I do not care about the 5070 for myself at all. There's no way I buy it unless they flog it for $300. There are certain thresholds of performance and VRAM for an upgrade and that means what we see from the 5070 Ti as a minimum and really only for its MSRP of $750 (and if lower, so much the better!). I was actually eyeing the 5090 for this gen but the launch soured me, so now I'd go for a more middling upgrade like the 5070 Ti but not in a rush.

Surely then you want an RTX5090 you should wait for prices to stablise or a refresh? I just seems a very expensive stop gap and next year you might feel unhappy. RTX4080 cards were available for not much more last year.

It wouldn't matter to me. I have enough raster performance for now and the hassle and cost of an upgrade wouldn't be worth making, plus even the XTX can't do the things in raster that I'd want from it (like some older, or not so old, games at 8K 60 for that sweet super-sampling).


That 4070 Ti perf equivalent would be acceptable IF it also applied to PT CP2077.


I'd lean towards the 9070 XT in that case so long as FSR 4 is good, I see them hustle with game integrations and the driver updates pick up. This latter point in particular has massively downgraded AMD value for me in the past year. That's why I'm also more negative on AMD and the upcoming launch and all the positive assumptions people make because I know the reality of it, not what and how I wish it were. It's a situation of 'penny wise, pound foolish' atm, so that's why now when it comes to buying AMD for the discount it has to be a big one to even consider again.

Thanks for clarifying your stance on this. I have an Nvidia card ATM and mates with AMD cards. They seem to have not really had issues with some of the new releases we have been playing together including Indy games. We play these games together and many are not really hardware enthusiasts. I would know very well if there are issues as I would be tech support.

But then none of these games seem to be really hot on the RT side too. Maybe I have become Casual Master Race!

 

[humbug]

Cyberpunk 2077 not my cup of tea , is it the same game or they added dlc to story line ? Or people just replaying the same game again and again just checking out new tech demo feature added ?

Its intriguing to me but its one of those things where i will wait until i have a GPU that can run it with all the RT, because if that's the way its indented to be experienced that's what i want to do, and i'm not paying a premium price for it when i don't get to experience it like that with a GPU that i can enjoy as intended in just about any other game.

I'm in no rush for it..

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Its intriguing to me but its one of those things where i will wait until i have a GPU that can run it with all the RT, because if that's the way its indented to be experienced that's what i want to do, and i'm not paying a premium price for it when i don't get to experience it like that with a GPU that i can enjoy as intended in just about any other game.

I'm in no rush for it..

My Ampere based card used to be able to run some RT settings fine. The moment the new updates came out,not so fine and to the same level as mates with similar age AMD cards,ie,not playable. Technically a victory but not a real one.

I find the game fun,but it seems like a vehicle to also sell new Nvidia cards.Have a few 100 hours in it,most of it before I had an RT capable card. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if another update comes out and the RTX5000 series pushes ahead of the RTX4000 series.

So at this point,it reminds of some other tech demo games going back 20+ years. But the reality is most gamers have an RTX4060 or RTX3060,so we can always measurebate on how weak or strong cards are,but there is always the settings menu!