*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[Ayahuasca]

it won't be, AMD have said most gamers have GPUs below $700


9070 will be around 450-550 and XT 600-650

This post needs caveating with an AMD hold my beer meme.

 

[uscool]

If it's msrp is 800 AMD have done it again

Lol that would make it above Nvidia MSRP regardless if you can buy them at that or not , AMD isn't pricing MSRP higher

My mental block is £550 - £600,( I'm not including the pathetic card that will be the 5070) if not I won't bother with either and continue with my current card but I'm more then likely to buy AMD in the future

 

[Jono8]

Lol that would make it above Nvidia MSRP regardless if you can buy them at that or not , AMD isn't pricing MSRP higher

My mental block is £550 - £600,( I'm not including the pathetic card that will be the 5070) if not I won't bother with either and continue with my current card but I'm more then likely to buy AMD in the future

I'm hoping that leak is wrong. How can they MSRP it at $799 when the 5070Ti MSRP is $729.

The 9070XT has nothing to give it the edge over the 5070ti. It will have worse RT and only have the same amount of vram. It also means pretty much no price/perf improvement and 8gb less vram than what was available before for a similar price.

$799 is just setting it up to fail.

 

[Thekwango]

I can afford a £1000 GPU but would refuse to spend that much I'd rather put that into a new boiler

i'd rather spend it on coke and hookers, though at 1k both would be pretty low quality

 

[Tinek]

Frankly if someone is on benefits and £50 is make or break for food and rent, then they shouldn’t be buying £700 GPUs in the first place.

I wasn't talking about 700 GPU specifically but on the other hand if they have just that one hobby, which takes them through the day and let's they retain sanity whilst looking for a job and they have enough for a graphics card plus rent went food for the time being - why not? I wouldn't judge on that, as long as they don't forgo them necessities before going for hobby. My point will stands in the situation.

 

[hornetstinger]

i'd rather spend it on coke and hookers, though at 1k both would be pretty low quality

That's expensive coca cola and fishing tackle. Are those fish hooks gold plated?

 

[Tinek]

I'm hoping that leak is wrong. How can they MSRP it at $799 when the 5070Ti MSRP is $729.

There's no such thing S5070Ti MSRP though, is there? Did Nvidia ever stated anywhere that this is MSRP?

 

[Ayahuasca]

I can afford a £1000 GPU but would refuse to spend that much I'd rather put that into a new boiler

Surely subwoofer > new boiler.

Jokes aside, there are plenty of people on here who can afford a £1000 GPU but have limits on what they'll spend and won't give in to impulse.

Likewise, there are people who can't really afford them if you were able to look at their financials, but get sucked in to keep up with their mates etc due to FOMO.

 

[Thekwango]

That's expensive coca cola and fishing tackle. Are those fish hooks gold plated?

to be fair at my age now, cola and fishing tackle is probably about all the excitement i can handle. real coke and hookers would be wasted on me, i'd be in bed by 10pm!

 

[Phixsator]

This thread reminds me sometimes of the obligatory tornado week once a month back when I shared a roof with the kids mother hihi.

I guess I'm not to worried anymore about pricing as I just found out that I need new summer tires for the car so thats my GPU budget gone. Daddy's lean mean fighting discount machine(Seat Leon) wont be wearing no budget rubber. Even if AMD has learned nothing and pricing stinks, by the time I have a gathered new fonds for this silly hobby we have they will have slashed the prices like they normally do. So Ehhh . Or maybe Jensen has launched the Super series for 30% less with stock available and peace is finally enveloping the earth.

I shall pray for you my brothers in arms as I leave for the mainland to watch for the war from a fare.

 

[Jono8]

There's no such thing S5070Ti MSRP though, is there? Did Nvidia ever stated anywhere that this is MSRP?

Yes, the Nvidia website product page says "starting at £729".

I made a slight error though as the US MSRP is actually $749 and the UK £729.

I know you cant get one for that at the moment, but once all the silly release hype and lack of stock ends, i have no doubt that they will be available for around that (the entry level cards).

 

[mountaincow]

Yeah everyone is on £80k a year bro.

You're about £50k lower than required after tax... No wait... I meant... 1 hour!? More like 20 minutes, brah.

 

[[timko]]

I know you cant get one for that at the moment

One UK buyer decided to take it up with a CS Agent anyway because why not...

 

[Tinek]

Yes, the Nvidia website product page says "starting at £729".

MSRP = manufacturer's suggested retail price. How does that fit at all what you just stated? All Nvidia said is "AIB are offering them for at least $749" (as Nvidia doesn't have FE version themselves). MSRP is a specific price that Nvidia would say this is how much it should cost at retail. Completely different things.

It is what always puzzles me - how can people and media confuse it, as this is clearly not a MSRP at all. Looking closely, Nvidia didn't show MSRP for any card for years now, if it's not their own FE model. There's no MSRP for 5070Ti and the FE models aren't MSRP either, as they are just Nvidia pricing for specific FE cards (that aren't in general retail stores anyway, Nvidia sells them directly). None of that fits MSRP definition.

Yes, we should complain about cards being too expensive but bringing up arbitrary pricing that never was actually a thing set in stone is bit silly IMHO - these prices are fluctuating and changing depending on the market at a given time (supply and demand). And what really matter is that it actually cost in stores at any given time.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

I get what people are saying a lot but I do feel like people are being a bit extreme. I am waiting for the "If it's more than £4.99 it's a fail!"

AMD do need to undercut and this is absolutely an amazing opportunity to grab some market share and more importantly mind share, but they still are a company that needs to make money and to keep their shareholders happy. They are not a charity and won't sell at a loss.

 

[sx_turbo]

One UK buyer decided to take it up with a CS Agent anyway because why not...

Is there any consumer law that can be put against this situation, or is it a case of sick it up buttercups

 

[Sumanji]

Thing is no one who buys a $700 GPU is thinking; if only it was $50 cheaper. What's $50 anyway, like one hour salary from working

Nobody who is actually well off thinks like this. "Watch the pennies and the pounds will watch themselves," as the old saying goes.

"I can spend whatever I want 'cos I'm loaded," is an attitude for the young, foolish, or nouveau riche

i'm poor. well in so far as spending 2k on a thing that makes coloured 'dots' appear on a screen is not an option.

Same!

 

[gpuerrilla]

*checks thread*

Guys talking about nvidia 5070ti's. Will check back later.

*leaves thread*

 

[Joxeon]

I can't remember tbh but were the 7000 series wildly off RRP as well?

That's not how business work - your start low, you get at least a bit of the market, then you build up. Starting with just premium isn't easy and AMD just can't do it currently. Nvidia won't drop prices as they push for the premium (it won't last forever though) but AMD can't do the currently. They could get short term sales for high prices just being available but that won't help them long term. Still, it won't stop people complaining either way - they just will have to outlast that and ignore it and not just drop business.

Look at ryzen where AMD launched a R5 1600 for $200 which had 50% more cores and outperformed Intels flagship $370 7700k in MT.

It took a few generations of good value releases but once AMD increased market and mind share they have been able to jack the price and people will buy them regardless.

 

[michty_me]

Some more information from the same person I posted about before. This person claims to be in close contact with someone who has access to 9070 and 9070XT for reviews:

Cyberpunk 2077 (custom scene, 4K, no RT)

9070XT = 63FPS avg, 9070 = 52FPS avg (5070Ti scored 60FPS, 5080 scored 69FPS)

Alan Wake 2 (4K, no RT, custom scene)

9070XT = 59FPS, 9070 = 48FPS (5070Ti scored 55 FPS, 5080 scored 63FPS)

And now for RT... Cyberpunk 2077 RT Ultra in 4K (custom scene)

9070XT gets 28FPS (no upscaling!) and 9070 gets 21FPS (5080 scored 33 FPS, 5070TI scored 29FPS)

PATH TRACING in 4K the 9070XT got 10FPS and the 9070 got 8 FPS (5080 scored 15FPS and 5070Ti got 12FPS)

Here you go, some numbers from a review sample OCing takes it to 5080 levels, but you can also overclock the 5080, that's true

Overall, with final data I gathered... 9070XT is a replacement to the XTX in raster, much better RT, losing some VRAM, but it didn't matter in testing for now... You get FSR4 and RT is just leagues ahead, it's a tier ahead of the XTX.

Edit, They have also stated prices have been discussed with a retailer and going for $549/$649 as per my previous post on this.