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[humbug]

Nope they’ve updated their relative performance charts on this one:

AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Specs

AMD Navi 32, 2430 MHz, 3840 Cores, 240 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2438 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

The 9070XT is 36% better- no need for my mad maths skills! As they’ve done the working out for us.

The distance between the 6700 XT and 7800 XT is also lower in that chart than it is in the review, i think they treat that chart differently, no of it seems to add up with their own reviews.

 

[muon]

5% faster than 7900 XT, so which of the performance rumours ended up being correct? The most pessimistic was 7900 GRE performance, and the most optimistic was 7900 XTX performance?

$650 I think would have been a disaster. So I think the price cut (as it turns out) to $600 definitely helped.

 

[Craig_d1]

Day 1 MSRP pulse £569.99, once stock clears who knows what the price will be

amd giving a $50 rebate, so guessing it'll go up £50 to £619.99 when rebate over. Seeing as you can get a 7800XT for £440, I'd be hesitant paying over that for a base card. That'll be aib hiking or retailer hiking to increase their margin while demand is strong. Not the time to buy then

 

[Tythus]

5% faster than 7900 XT, so which of the performance rumours ended up being correct? The most pessimistic was 7900 GRE performance, and the most optimistic was 7900 XTX performance?

it varies on the game in some games 7900xt in others 7900xtx in others it's tickling 5080

 

[GhostDog1981]

The distance between the 6700 XT and 7800 XT is also lower in that chart than it is in the review, i think they treat that chart differently, no of it seems to add up with their own reviews.

No it does make sense.

If you select 6700xt as the base card then the 7800xt is 48% better.

Likewise the 7800xt as base card the 9070XT (reference spec) is 36% better.

They tested a Nitro 9070XT in their review which undoubtedly has higher performance coming out at 44.5% better than the 7800xt.

It lines up.

 

[kieran_read]

amd giving a $50 rebate, so guessing it'll go up £50 to £619.99 when rebate over. Seeing as you can get a 7800XT for £440, I'd be hesitant paying over that for a base card. That'll be aib hiking or retailer hiking to increase their margin while demand is strong. Not the time to buy then

£630 Gibbo has already confirmed.

 

[humbug]

5% faster than 7900 XT, so which of the performance rumours ended up being correct? The most pessimistic was 7900 GRE performance, and the most optimistic was 7900 XTX performance?

TPU review.

7900 XT: 100%
9070 XT: 112%
5070 Ti: 116%
7900 XTX 118%

Its good.

 

[Craig_d1]

30% performance increase over yours overall

Plus buy some speakers haha

there's the rub..you can get a 7800xt for £440 right now. @GhostDog1981 said £417 for his so 30% gain on 417 is £542 (for scaled price/performance) or £572 if base is £440 card (available now on ocuk)..which is the msrp on release at 569.99....to me makes sense as i view the 9070xt as the 7800xt replacement (die size being the same and same vram)...so paying up doesn't make a lot of sense to me, unless you're going for a more fancy card, but my hard limit was £650 (3080fe price), and that would be for a more premium model if went there now

 

[ben1987]

Not buying one as I’ve got an XTX but I think they look decent value.

Decent performance, massive improvement in RT performance if that’s your thing and semi-reasonable pricing.

Hopefully the availability is good so you can all get your new toys.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

Tbh at over £600 I think the xt has no chance, yes initially it will sell until the the idiots in green get their act together, though AMD may be lucky as the scumbags in green got their eyes on AI, so gamers can go **** themselves as dar as they concerned, but it will come back to bite them, that's one thing has taught us one days will turn on a company that takes pee outta its base

 

[Distracted]

Tbh at over £600 I think the xt has no chance, yes initially it will sell until the the idiots in green get their act together, though AMD may be lucky as the scumbags in green got their eyes on AI, so gamers can go **** themselves as dar as they concerned, but it will come back to bite them, that's one thing has taught us one days will turn on a company that takes pee outta its base

I don't think it will come back to bite them.
Gamers are a tiny portion of their sales.

I agree with your sentiments on their attitude, just not the outcome.

 

[Chrisc]

Tbh at over £600 I think the xt has no chance, yes initially it will sell until the the idiots in green get their act together, though AMD may be lucky as the scumbags in green got their eyes on AI, so gamers can go **** themselves as dar as they concerned, but it will come back to bite them, that's one thing has taught us one days will turn on a company that takes pee outta its base

Up to £650 is reasonable imo, the higher end models at £700-£800 changes everything.

 

[sx_turbo]

The 9070XT is good value at £569 to £600 but it’s not a slam dunk now I’ve seen the reviews.Games are not consistent performance wise. Wouldn’t pay more than that. On par with a 5070Ti for raster but 25% worse for RT at 4K was Hardware unboxed summary.

RT performance is still lower than ideal , and whilst FSR 4 is good , if the games you play dont support it (eg BF2042 - DLSS only , Hell Divers 2 - neither) then it’s less of a result. All depends on what games you are playing now and in the future. If Dice announced they were supporting FSR4 in the next battlefield game I’d be more onboard. But I don’t think they will.

So back to how much is DLSS and + 25% RT worth above AMD’s offering? I expect the answer is between £100 and £150.

If the 5070 Ti’s drop in price as volume upticks , then it will still be the preferable card. 5080’s or higher are just silly money still.

I’ve seen alerts for 5070Tis at £729 which might be worth the premium.

I think as drivers improve it will get more consistent.

The xt is worth the cost saving if one is desperate to get a GPU right now.

Otherwise if one can wait 6 months probably get better deals and more choice

 

[kieran_read]

Tbh at over £600 I think the xt has no chance, yes initially it will sell until the the idiots in green get their act together, though AMD may be lucky as the scumbags in green got their eyes on AI, so gamers can go **** themselves as dar as they concerned, but it will come back to bite them, that's one thing has taught us one days will turn on a company that takes pee outta its base

TBH IMO it holds value even is it was only £50 - £100 cheaper, AMD have closed the gap enough that I don't see that much value in going Green over Red

 

[Jono8]

The 9070XT is good value at £569 to £600 but it’s not a slam dunk now I’ve seen the reviews.Games are not consistent performance wise. Wouldn’t pay more than that. On par with a 5070Ti for raster but 25% worse for RT at 4K was Hardware unboxed summary.

RT performance is still lower than ideal , and whilst FSR 4 is good , if the games you play dont support it (eg BF2042 - DLSS only , Hell Divers 2 - neither) then it’s less of a result. All depends on what games you are playing now and in the future. If Dice announced they were supporting FSR4 in the next battlefield game I’d be more onboard. But I don’t think they will.

So back to how much is DLSS and + 25% RT worth above AMD’s offering? I expect the answer is between £100 and £150.

If the 5070 Ti’s drop in price as volume upticks , then it will still be the preferable card. 5080’s or higher are just silly money still.

I’ve seen alerts for 5070Tis at £729 which might be worth the premium.

So minimum price for minimum price, the 5070ti is £160 more.

£160 is a decent chunk of change between them, and you are only get ~15-20% higher RT performance (not sure where 25% came from?) for that and DLSS4.

I think thats quite a bit extra to pay for those two things when you are already spending nearly £600, but it may be worth that for some.

 

[GhostDog1981]

there's the rub..you can get a 7800xt for £440 right now. @GhostDog1981 said £417 for his so 30% gain on 417 is £542 (for scaled price/performance) or £572 if base is £440 card (available now on ocuk)..which is the msrp on release at 569.99....to me makes sense as i view the 9070xt as the 7800xt replacement (die size being the same and same vram)...so paying up doesn't make a lot of sense to me, unless you're going for a more fancy card, but my hard limit was £650 (3080fe price), and that would be for a more premium model if went there now

It would have been lovely to get the 9070XT for £480 like the 7800 XT UK msrp, but alas such is the world of luxury goods at the moment.

 

[hornetstinger]

So minimum price for minimum price, the 5070ti is £160 more.

£160 is a decent chunk of change between them, and you are only get ~15% higher RT performance for that and DLSS4.

I think thats quite a bit extra to pay for those two things when you are already spending nearly £600, but it may be worth that for some.

£800 for the PNY 5070ti
£570 for the Sapphire 9070xt

That's fair price difference, if the 5070ti was £570 I'd go for that. Better RT, less power consumption. Both 16GB, also if Nvidia have slightly better memory management that will help also.

 

[Jono8]

£800 for the PNY 5070ti
£570 for the Sapphire 9070xt

That's fair price difference, if the 5070ti was £570 I'd go for that. Better RT, less power consumption. Both 16GB, also if Nvidia have slightly better memory management that will help also.

Well, yeh. I would go for the 5070ti if it was the same price as the 9070xt as well.

But it isn’t

 

[Sargatanas2511]

£800 for the PNY 5070ti
£570 for the Sapphire 9070xt

That's fair price difference, if the 5070ti was £570 I'd go for that. Better RT, less power consumption. Both 16GB, also if Nvidia have slightly better memory management that will help also.

Even with the black screen issues, the ROP issues, the power connector issues (though to be fair that's more the 5090) and potential bricking?

Even if they were the same price I am not sure I would buy any Blackwell cards.

 

[[timko]]

amd giving a $50 rebate, so guessing it'll go up £50 to £619.99 when rebate over.

Gibbo has mentioned this in another thread so you was close...