*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[TNA]

It’s funny how people have different versions of the same events. The majority of the kickback about DLSS (and RT) was because it wasn’t available on the 1000 series and expensive Titan series. So most of the moaning was from Nvidia owners. Given most people own Nvidia it stands to reason, considering the significant market and mind share they have.

AMD fans were already used to Nvidia doing the proprietary crap and having GPUs that didn’t do the latest Nvidia fad. They just sat back and watched until the fad caught up with reality. I mean we are still a few years away from when truly good RT is actually on mainstream GPUs (sub £400).

So it isn’t the AMD “fans” having a sudden change of heart at all, they’re just happy that AMD have made actual measurable progress in the areas that were important… well according to all the Nvidia fans anyway

Note: I had a 980Ti, 1080, 2080, 3080 and now a 4080. I obviously just follow whatever Nvidia marketing throw my way

Meh. Many supported and wanted it to be open source and shunned Nvidia's closed source method.

I could go search and find all these but can't be asked. Going ti go play KCD2 now

Oh and the post was not aimed at you btw. So not sure why you are posting all your Nvidia GPU's

 

[ICDP]

This should be thereabouts where the 9070XT RT hits on the heavy titles that nvidia usually would have stridden out. Also bear in mind I have for over four years a 3090 and I know this was not quite able to squeeze out great RT fps. I don't think the 4070Ti was much better than it, at least from the charts I recall seeing?

Apologies, I don’t mean extreme RT cases and did specify that PT is not what I mean by mainstream.

To put it another way, FSR4 allows me to play CP2077 max psycho RT settings at 4K performance (which looks very good in FSR4) and it runs at 60FPS. For a £600 GPU it’s doing very well.

Edit: Just to add some reference. My 4080 at the same settings allows me to use DLSS4 balanced. So one setting up on the upscaling for similar FPS. The only way for PT to work is to use ultra performance DLSS and at this point it has become noticeably blurry.

Path tracing is not really an option on either GPU if you are trying to output at 4K.

 

[t2na]

But FSR4 doesn't work on other cards does it, even if it's worse on other cards? That's the difference.

I don't really have an issue with it only being on the new gen stuff, same as I didn't when Nvidia did it, it's just the way the attitudes vary depending on which manufacturer does it. Of course the downside, as I said before is that it greatly limits how many people can use the FSR4.
It wasn't too long ago that in the DLSS3 vs FSR3 debate people were saying that DLSS was better but FSR3 was "good enough". Now AMD has caught up with FSR4 it's suddenly being hailed as a game changer. Again, I don't doubt it's better (upscaling isn't something I've really used much so far), I just find it funny how when it was DLSS3 vs FSR3 it wasn't a big issue, but when it's FSR4 vs FSR3 it's a huge deal.
RT is a bit the same. Not too long ago, it wasn't important, it didn't really improve things, people just turned it off. Then 2(?) games don't let you turn it off and suddenly RT hugely important. Like a few months ago nobody could've predicted that RT might get used more. Then the 9000 series got released and it suddenly hit people that RT was still a thing so maybe it's is important for a graphics card to do it well. I've not played many games that use RT that heavily or enforce it so I don't have much of an opinion on it myself. It just makes me laugh how the attitudes change once AMD aren't trailing as much.

I'm trying to get a 9070 XT (without paying silly prices) so I'm pleased that AMD have improved all of these things. I originally wanted a 5090, back before we saw the prices and learnt of the numerous issues with the 5000 series. Then I dropped down to a 5080, but this too was plagued with issues such as high prices and stock issues. So I reluctantly considered a 5070Ti but this too inherited the issues of it's siblings. So I've turned my attention to the 9070 XT and while I'm a little disappointed with the performance sacrifice that would've been the case with any of the cards below the 5090 (I mean even that was a little disappointing). Other than that the improvements AMD have made means it doesn't feel like I'm sacrificing too much.

But FSR works on other cards, it's FSR4 that is exclusive to the 9000 series of cards at this point.

Just because Intel don't call it XeSS4 and XeSS doesn't mean that it's not the same. I get the point you're making but I do think it's extrapolating a little what was said at the time. There are always people that are over the top supportive, one way or the other. Particularly on forums like this! I just spent a good chunk of time reading someone's post here about a 100-150RPM difference in fan speeds and the impact on thermals vs. noise...

I do think a lot of the reason why people thought FSR3 was 'good enough' was because it was the only option available to them. I was on a 3070 before I moved to an AMD GPU - and I was happy doing that move because my intention was to just not use upscaling and brute force games with raw raster for similar/slightly better uplift compared to the 3070 using DLSS Quality/Balanced at 1440p.

Then I grabbed a 4k 240hz OLED monitor - and using FSR at anything other than quality was a pretty meh experience across the board. It was alright, nothing great but seeing the comparisons to DLSS really highlighted that it wasn't as good, simple as that - and it was annoying seeing Nvidia users be able to rock DLSS performance, have the game look better than 1440p native and FSR quality - whilst getting frames. FSR4 is good, it's nice that we now have a competitive alternative to DLSS and one more element that potentially means that Nvidia can't charge the additional % cost they do for access to their suite of features.

I think attitudes changing around RT are really because more people can now actually experience it at a decent price entry point. It's the classic thing of not having access to something and brushing it off as 'no biggie' - used to do it as kids at school, now we do it as adults with our PC parts... I never bothered using it on my 3070 (apart from that Lego game??) and only really first used RT properly with the PS5 Pro! It's nice that I've been able to play a few more games now using RT - but again, I'll take more consistent/higher frames every time compared to a slightly prettier game at a lower fps.

Sorry - not one to usually leave excessively long posts (unless it's in the monitor sub forum or discussing mice/keyboards).

 

[Mercurial]

What you've never had, you don't miss. A bit like preheat on an electric car.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

But FSR works on other cards, it's FSR4 that is exclusive to the 9000 series of cards at this point.

Just because Intel don't call it XeSS4 and XeSS doesn't mean that it's not the same.

Yeah, that's a fair point.

I think attitudes changing around RT are really because more people can now actually experience it at a decent price entry point. It's the classic thing of not having access to something and brushing it off as 'no biggie' - used to do it as kids at school

I think this is the heart of the point and why I find it funny. People dismissing something they (or a certain brand) can't use as unimportant and then when they (or a certain brand) can use it it's suddenly game changing. This isn't a new thing, I'm sure we can all think of examples of it in the past too. I'm also fully aware it's not a 1-sided thing.

 

[Dicehunter]

But FSR works on other cards, it's FSR4 that is exclusive to the 9000 series of cards at this point.

I think RDNA3 will get FSR4 at some point but it will be a heavily watered down version as RDNA3 simply doesn't have the FP8 instruction set that FSR4 requires.

 

[Grim5]

AMD now has nearly 50% market share of GPUs sold in Japan thanks to RDNA4's incredible launch

AMD market share in Japan reaches 45%, "AMD just isn’t used to selling so many graphics cards" - VideoCardz.com

AMD Japan claims 45% market share reached AMD held a special event in Japan titled “Spring New Product Launch Event – Team AMD Special Gathering.” The event was attended by popular influencers, but representatives from AMD, ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, PowerColor, and Sapphire also took part...

videocardz.com

 

[nomadd]

AMD now has nearly 50% market share of GPUs sold in Japan thanks to RDNA4's incredible launch

AMD market share in Japan reaches 45%, "AMD just isn’t used to selling so many graphics cards" - VideoCardz.com

AMD Japan claims 45% market share reached AMD held a special event in Japan titled “Spring New Product Launch Event – Team AMD Special Gathering.” The event was attended by popular influencers, but representatives from AMD, ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, PowerColor, and Sapphire also took part...

videocardz.com

とても良い

 

[Case1987]

AMD now has nearly 50% market share of GPUs sold in Japan thanks to RDNA4's incredible launch

AMD market share in Japan reaches 45%, "AMD just isn’t used to selling so many graphics cards" - VideoCardz.com

AMD Japan claims 45% market share reached AMD held a special event in Japan titled “Spring New Product Launch Event – Team AMD Special Gathering.” The event was attended by popular influencers, but representatives from AMD, ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, PowerColor, and Sapphire also took part...

videocardz.com

Will probably be more than that in Europe

 

[mahius]

So I finally managed to sort out that pesky USB header yesterday.
Here's a better look at it in the light. One of a kind really, didn't know any other manufacturer that made these.

Here's a better look at it out of the packet. It's 4 USB2.0 poorts going to 2x internal USB2.0 headers.

Why would I need USB 2.0 yoou ask? Because my case, the Fractal Design Torrent has 0 USB2 headers and the USB2 internal headers on the motherboard were sitting lonely and unused.
Here it is installed. I couldn't install it on the top slot due to a fan header getting in the way and also limitations with cable length. Looks a bit ugly due to the colour, but there was no black version unfortunately.

Also is it just me or does my GTX 970 look a bit different?

Almost as though it gained weight, lost it's G, gained a 0 and shuffled around it's XT

 

[hornetstinger]

So I finally managed to sort out that pesky USB header yesterday.
Here's a better look at it in the light. One of a kind really, didn't know any other manufacturer that made these.

Here's a better look at it out of the packet. It's 4 USB2.0 poorts going to 2x internal USB2.0 headers.

Why would I need USB 2.0 yoou ask? Because my case, the Fractal Design Torrent has 0 USB2 headers and the USB2 internal headers on the motherboard were sitting lonely and unused.
Here it is installed. I couldn't install it on the top slot due to a fan header getting in the way and also limitations with cable length. Looks a bit ugly due to the colour, but there was no black version unfortunately.

Also is it just me or does my GTX 970 look a bit different?

Almost as though it gained weight, lost it's G, gained a 0 and shuffled around it's XT

I bought one of these, updates my case to USB 3 and USB C plus has audio and USB2 ports.

Screenshot-2025-03-17-at-20-00-26-USB-3-0-Front-Panel-for-PC-USB-3-1-Type-C-2x-USB3-0-2x-USB2-0-Hub- hosted at ImgBB

Image Screenshot-2025-03-17-at-20-00-26-USB-3-0-Front-Panel-for-PC-USB-3-1-Type-C-2x-USB3-0-2x-USB2-0-Hub- hosted in ImgBB

ibb.co

 

[Bidley]

So I finally managed to sort out that pesky USB header yesterday.
Here's a better look at it in the light. One of a kind really, didn't know any other manufacturer that made these.

Here's a better look at it out of the packet. It's 4 USB2.0 poorts going to 2x internal USB2.0 headers.

Why would I need USB 2.0 yoou ask? Because my case, the Fractal Design Torrent has 0 USB2 headers and the USB2 internal headers on the motherboard were sitting lonely and unused.
Here it is installed. I couldn't install it on the top slot due to a fan header getting in the way and also limitations with cable length. Looks a bit ugly due to the colour, but there was no black version unfortunately.

Also is it just me or does my GTX 970 look a bit different?

Almost as though it gained weight, lost it's G, gained a 0 and shuffled around it's XT

10/10 review. Shame to obscure it with that terrible overpriced GPU

Beige IBM-chic USB 2.0 header owner's thread when?

 

[mahius]

I bought one of these, updates my case to USB 3 and USB C plus has audio and USB2 ports.

Screenshot-2025-03-17-at-20-00-26-USB-3-0-Front-Panel-for-PC-USB-3-1-Type-C-2x-USB3-0-2x-USB2-0-Hub- hosted at ImgBB

Image Screenshot-2025-03-17-at-20-00-26-USB-3-0-Front-Panel-for-PC-USB-3-1-Type-C-2x-USB3-0-2x-USB2-0-Hub- hosted in ImgBB

ibb.co

Cases nowadays don't have front bays at all! This Fractal Design case almost doesn't have 3.5" HDD mounts except for a couple behind the motherboard tray, 2.5" SSD style.

But in all seriousness, yes, quite the tale. Those of you know, I myself never managed to successfully buy a GPU around this launch period for the price that I felt it worth, MSRP and not a penny more. I was genuinely free-spirited about it all, not being fussed if I didn't manage to place an order at RRP. My cousin volunteered himself to try and order one on my behalf, I forgot to tell him to give up after 5 minutes whilst being busy at work and later that day he told me of his struggle with the website and the F5 wars. Only to have successfully placed an order somehow in the initial launch wave after an hour or so. Naturally I paid him for the GPU and shipping, rounding it up to the nearest £10. I guess technically that means I paid over MSRP scalper prices lol.

I ended up inviting him over yesterday to experience the results of his handiwork and to have first go on doing all the initial benchmarks. I'm very impressed. I had a few initial hiccups getting used to the nice AMD Software, I was getting frustrated at not finding VSR so that I could benchmarks stuff at 4k on my 1440p monitor. But eventually found it.
Heaven didn't give me the option of choosing 4k, so this is what I got initially on 1440p.

Today I retried with -50 undervolt and -5% power limit and as seems to be the case for AMD GPUs... more performance?

I was most chuffed with all the rest of the benchmarks. I usually just set things to max and push it as hard as I could, which means ray-tracing on and where possible 4k. Only Heaven and Far Cry 5 I did 1440p since they didn't seem to be able to run properly at 4k (FC5 just had the remaining resolution stretch off-screen). Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition I was seeing 40-65 FPS at 4k maxed ray-tracing. Not too shabby from an AMD GPU that's supposed to be worse at ray-tracing. Also tried the new GTA5 at 4k max ray-tracing and got around 50-60fps. I think Ghost Runner also had similar.

By far what I found most impressive, even though it shouldn't be given, how poorly optimised that game is, was the performance on the Monster Hunter Wilds benchmark at 1440p maxed, including ray-tracing. I wouldn't expect to be playing this game with everything maxed with ray-tracing, but damn.

Noise, barely audible if I'm honest and temps (overall not of the core) are ~50C. The only realy downside was coilwhine with my PSU, which was originally connected via 1 cable (it splits into 2x 6+2pin). I ended up using a second cable to ensure there are 2 connections to the PSU, did the undervolt and power limit and limited FPS to 144 (to match monitor refresh). No more noticeable coil whine.

Overall I'm just chuffed at what an upgrade this is compared to the ancient GTX970 I was on. Now I only have 1 big problem. Too many games in my Steam backlog, not enough time to play them

 

[Dicehunter]

AMD now has nearly 50% market share of GPUs sold in Japan thanks to RDNA4's incredible launch

AMD market share in Japan reaches 45%, "AMD just isn’t used to selling so many graphics cards" - VideoCardz.com

AMD Japan claims 45% market share reached AMD held a special event in Japan titled “Spring New Product Launch Event – Team AMD Special Gathering.” The event was attended by popular influencers, but representatives from AMD, ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, PowerColor, and Sapphire also took part...

videocardz.com

It would be even more if they could keep up with demand, I'd like to get one but there are none.

Sadly a lot of scalpers are buying them, Thankfully not many are biting but it sucks for people wanting to get their hands on a 9070XT.

 

[Mercurial]

Several high end ones in stock at this moment here (including the slightly less expensive Hellhound).

All at the higher prices though.

 

[Troezar]

Several high end ones in stock at this moment here (including the slightly less expensive Hellhound).

All at the higher prices though.

A good sign that buyers are getting a little more fussy about how much they pay I think.

 

[GhostDog1981]

They’re actually all out of stock when you click on them. They must have sold out last night even the expensive gigabyte one.

 

[ChosenName]

They’re actually all out of stock when you click on them. They must have sold out last night even the expensive gigabyte one.

... and that's even with the cut that the distributor is now taking for their part of the supply chain.

 

[GhostDog1981]

... and that's even with the cut that the distributor is now taking for their part of the supply chain.

It’s shocking the demand for these cards. Somehow I don’t feel msrp will come till end of year or next.

 

[Joxeon]

With the dollar to pound exchange now up at $1.30 the MSRP should be around £555 for for the 9070XT and £508 for the 9070.