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Even that 200 doesn't really buy you a meaningful difference either, as you say it's a 5080 or more for anything really significant and that's just a handful of games. Seems a strange financial decision to me.
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A little, the coder does say not to run it on online games with anticheat. I just use it on single player games.
Hmm, I think I would be nervous even having it on the PC if that's the case.
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But at the way things are going it'll be £900 for it's tier replacement lol
I'm on 3440x1440, and to be honest, I can see occasion's where id want more frames
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I was hoping the 5080 would match or even exceed the 4090 as that is what Nvidia normally delivers. But when it was 10% faster than my 4080 I decided the cost to upgrade just wasn’t there. That was before it was clear MSRP was just a joke and they were £300 more expensive than expected.
Nvidia are chasing the AI bubble and that won’t change unless it bursts. They said **** you to gamers in a way that only the most deluded blinkered fanboys will ignore.
As for AMD it’s obvious Hank Azore was ************ yet again with the “MSRP” is real lies. Now that may be down to the AIBs but every time he opens his mouth nonsense comes out and it hurts AMD.
Even if AMD double production, that will never match the actual demand. Don’t t expect MSRP GPUs from AMD any time soon, let alone Nvidia and their trickle of GPU drops.
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Yeah, it's just a shame that so few people will get the benefit of it, for now.
And when Nvidia make something only available on the newest generation of cards the pitchforks are out with the battlecry of "forced obsolescence!", but when AMD do it everyone cheers.
To be honest though this isn't planned obsolescence, this is due to lack of hardware. They may get an FSR 4 lite version out which I would applaud but its never going to match dedicated hardware for the job. I don't care for either brand but at some point you have to make a decision as otherwise you will never get rid of that ball and chain.
It's not an active program like that, so you don't have to worry about it in that way. It's very much only applicable per game.
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Its a funny way to put it but just adds to the whataboutism. Just look at how poor nvidia have been with the drivers the past year and its ok cuz nvidia nnit. I think we have established both companies are doing this and people need to leave behind the tribalism.
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To a degree, certainly - however AMD tend to open source their new stuff rather than keep it proprietary to their own GPUs, for which they deserve some credit.
FSR4 game implementation is down to devs adding it to the game, nothing to do with AMD - they'd have it in every game if they could. Up until now adding FSR was low on the priority as comparitively few people would use it over DLSS. I expect that will change.
Also the upscaling exclusivity thing has been gone over - 9000 has the hardware, 7000 and below simply doesn't. Same reason DLSS isn't available on GTX GPUs.
Also the upscaling exclusivity thing has been gone over - 9000 has the hardware, 7000 and below simply doesn't. Same reason DLSS isn't available on GTX GPUs.
Difference is AMD are doing it now. So it is okay
It’s funny how people have different versions of the same events. The majority of the kickback about DLSS (and RT) was because it wasn’t available on the 1000 series and expensive Titan series. So most of the moaning was from Nvidia owners. Given most people own Nvidia it stands to reason, considering the significant market and mind share they have.
AMD fans were already used to Nvidia doing the proprietary crap and having GPUs that didn’t do the latest Nvidia fad. They just sat back and watched until the fad caught up with reality. I mean we are still a few years away from when truly good RT is actually on mainstream GPUs (sub £400).
So it isn’t the AMD “fans” having a sudden change of heart at all, they’re just happy that AMD have made actual measurable progress in the areas that were important… well according to all the Nvidia fans anyway
Note: I had a 980Ti, 1080, 2080, 3080 and now a 4080. I obviously just follow whatever Nvidia marketing throw my way
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When Intel did it, everyone said 'yeah that makes sense'. XeSS available for any GPU - but noticeably better on Intel GPUs as they have dedicated ML hardware for XeSS. So FSR3 is available for all, but FSR4 (using the new dedicated ML harder on the 9000 series for AMD) is surely a sensible approach and no different to what Intel does?
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It’s funny how people have different versions of the same events. The majority of the kickback about DLSS (and RT) was because it wasn’t available on the 1000 series and expensive Titan series. So most of the moaning was from Nvidia owners. Given most people own Nvidia it stands to reason, considering the significant market and mind share they have.
AMD fans were already used to Nvidia doing the proprietary crap and having GPUs that didn’t do the latest Nvidia fad. They just sat back and watched until the fad caught up with reality. I mean we are still a few years away from when truly good RT is actually on mainstream GPUs (sub £400).
So it isn’t the AMD “fans” having a sudden change of heart at all, they’re just happy that AMD have made actual measurable progress in the areas that were important… well according to all the Nvidia fans anyway
Note: I had a 980Ti, 1080, 2080, 3080 and now a 4080. I obviously just follow whatever Nvidia marketing throw my way
Completely this. Up until now its been a tease from the flagship end since Turing and even then RT has not been strong enough. I would say the 4080/90 were the tipping point in time where it became worth it.
AMD doing a respectable job on the upscaling together with closing the hardware this gen has shown its actually useable with enough games out there that feature it. The £500 - £700 bracket needs to demonstrate RT comfortably. At some point it will creep down to the weaker cards so that the masses can actually toggle it on and play on reasonable fps.
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But FSR4 doesn't work on other cards does it, even if it's worse on other cards? That's the difference.
I don't really have an issue with it only being on the new gen stuff, same as I didn't when Nvidia did it, it's just the way the attitudes vary depending on which manufacturer does it. Of course the downside, as I said before is that it greatly limits how many people can use the FSR4.
It wasn't too long ago that in the DLSS3 vs FSR3 debate people were saying that DLSS was better but FSR3 was "good enough". Now AMD has caught up with FSR4 it's suddenly being hailed as a game changer. Again, I don't doubt it's better (upscaling isn't something I've really used much so far), I just find it funny how when it was DLSS3 vs FSR3 it wasn't a big issue, but when it's FSR4 vs FSR3 it's a huge deal.
RT is a bit the same. Not too long ago, it wasn't important, it didn't really improve things, people just turned it off. Then 2(?) games don't let you turn it off and suddenly RT hugely important. Like a few months ago nobody could've predicted that RT might get used more. Then the 9000 series got released and it suddenly hit people that RT was still a thing so maybe it's is important for a graphics card to do it well. I've not played many games that use RT that heavily or enforce it so I don't have much of an opinion on it myself. It just makes me laugh how the attitudes change once AMD aren't trailing as much.
I'm trying to get a 9070 XT (without paying silly prices) so I'm pleased that AMD have improved all of these things. I originally wanted a 5090, back before we saw the prices and learnt of the numerous issues with the 5000 series. Then I dropped down to a 5080, but this too was plagued with issues such as high prices and stock issues. So I reluctantly considered a 5070Ti but this too inherited the issues of it's siblings. So I've turned my attention to the 9070 XT and while I'm a little disappointed with the performance sacrifice that would've been the case with any of the cards below the 5090 (I mean even that was a little disappointing). Other than that the improvements AMD have made means it doesn't feel like I'm sacrificing too much.
I would say the tipping point would be about 4070Ti levels of RT raster. This is because it gave more than good enough performance at 1440p with decent upscaling. I don’t mean path traced RT either.
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This should be thereabouts where the 9070XT RT hits on the heavy titles that nvidia usually would have stridden out. Also bear in mind I have for over four years a 3090 and I know this was not quite able to squeeze out great RT fps. I don't think the 4070Ti was much better than it, at least from the charts I recall seeing?
