*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[michty_me]

Is there any concern of optiscaler being picked up by various anticheats that pick up injection software?

 

[welshrat]

The problem is that would have made it significantly less of a leap in quality and it would still trail DLSS. The first step needed to close the gap to remove the perceived Nvidia advantages. AMD have achieved that to the point the differences are so minor that they are arguably extremely expensive edge case advantages. Nice to haves instead of must haves.

To get any actual minor advantage in RT you need to pay £180 - £200 more in real prices for a 5070Ti. Or almost double that for the terrible value real 5080 street prices.

As the dust settles on this round of releases AMD are the biggest winners. By no means perfect, but a damn sight better than Nvidia’s omnishambles.

Even that 200 doesn't really buy you a meaningful difference either, as you say it's a 5080 or more for anything really significant and that's just a handful of games. Seems a strange financial decision to me.

 

[YoungBlood]

Is there any concern of optiscaler being picked up by various anticheats that pick up injection software?

A little, the coder does say not to run it on online games with anticheat. I just use it on single player games.

 

[michty_me]

A little, the coder does say not to run it on online games with anticheat. I just use it on single player games.

Hmm, I think I would be nervous even having it on the PC if that's the case.

 

[Martini1991]

Same card mate, its a high refresh rate 1440P card, it doesn't need upgrading and probably wont for a couple of years yet.

But at the way things are going it'll be £900 for it's tier replacement lol

I'm on 3440x1440, and to be honest, I can see occasion's where id want more frames

 

[ICDP]

Even that 200 doesn't really buy you a meaningful difference either, as you say it's a 5080 or more for anything really significant and that's just a handful of games. Seems a strange financial decision to me.

I was hoping the 5080 would match or even exceed the 4090 as that is what Nvidia normally delivers. But when it was 10% faster than my 4080 I decided the cost to upgrade just wasn’t there. That was before it was clear MSRP was just a joke and they were £300 more expensive than expected.

Nvidia are chasing the AI bubble and that won’t change unless it bursts. They said **** you to gamers in a way that only the most deluded blinkered fanboys will ignore.

As for AMD it’s obvious Hank Azore was ************ yet again with the “MSRP” is real lies. Now that may be down to the AIBs but every time he opens his mouth nonsense comes out and it hurts AMD.

Even if AMD double production, that will never match the actual demand. Don’t t expect MSRP GPUs from AMD any time soon, let alone Nvidia and their trickle of GPU drops.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

The problem is that would have made it significantly less of a leap in quality and it would still trail DLSS. The first step needed to close the gap to remove the perceived Nvidia advantages. AMD have achieved that to the point the differences are so minor that they are arguably extremely expensive edge case advantages. Nice to haves instead of must haves.

To get any actual minor advantage in RT you need to pay £180 - £200 more in real prices for a 5070Ti. Or almost double that for the terrible value real 5080 street prices.

As the dust settles on this round of releases AMD are the biggest winners. By no means perfect, but a damn sight better than Nvidia’s omnishambles.

Yeah, it's just a shame that so few people will get the benefit of it, for now.
And when Nvidia make something only available on the newest generation of cards the pitchforks are out with the battlecry of "forced obsolescence!", but when AMD do it everyone cheers.

 

[welshrat]

Yeah, it's just a shame that so few people will get the benefit of it, for now.
And when Nvidia make something only available on the newest generation of cards the pitchforks are out with the battlecry of "forced obsolescence!", but when AMD do it everyone cheers.

To be honest though this isn't planned obsolescence, this is due to lack of hardware. They may get an FSR 4 lite version out which I would applaud but its never going to match dedicated hardware for the job. I don't care for either brand but at some point you have to make a decision as otherwise you will never get rid of that ball and chain.

 

[Poneros]

Hmm, I think I would be nervous even having it on the PC if that's the case.

It's not an active program like that, so you don't have to worry about it in that way. It's very much only applicable per game.

 

[gpuerrilla]

And when Nvidia make something only available on the newest generation of cards the pitchforks are out with the battlecry of "forced obsolescence!", but when AMD do it everyone cheers.

Its a funny way to put it but just adds to the whataboutism. Just look at how poor nvidia have been with the drivers the past year and its ok cuz nvidia nnit. I think we have established both companies are doing this and people need to leave behind the tribalism.

 

[ChosenName]

Yeah, it's just a shame that so few people will get the benefit of it, for now.
And when Nvidia make something only available on the newest generation of cards the pitchforks are out with the battlecry of "forced obsolescence!", but when AMD do it everyone cheers.

To a degree, certainly - however AMD tend to open source their new stuff rather than keep it proprietary to their own GPUs, for which they deserve some credit.

 

[Bidley]

FSR4 game implementation is down to devs adding it to the game, nothing to do with AMD - they'd have it in every game if they could. Up until now adding FSR was low on the priority as comparitively few people would use it over DLSS. I expect that will change.

Also the upscaling exclusivity thing has been gone over - 9000 has the hardware, 7000 and below simply doesn't. Same reason DLSS isn't available on GTX GPUs.

 

[TNA]

Yeah, it's just a shame that so few people will get the benefit of it, for now.
And when Nvidia make something only available on the newest generation of cards the pitchforks are out with the battlecry of "forced obsolescence!", but when AMD do it everyone cheers.

Difference is AMD are doing it now. So it is okay

 

[ICDP]

Difference is AMD are doing it now. So it is okay

It’s funny how people have different versions of the same events. The majority of the kickback about DLSS (and RT) was because it wasn’t available on the 1000 series and expensive Titan series. So most of the moaning was from Nvidia owners. Given most people own Nvidia it stands to reason, considering the significant market and mind share they have.

AMD fans were already used to Nvidia doing the proprietary crap and having GPUs that didn’t do the latest Nvidia fad. They just sat back and watched until the fad caught up with reality. I mean we are still a few years away from when truly good RT is actually on mainstream GPUs (sub £400).

So it isn’t the AMD “fans” having a sudden change of heart at all, they’re just happy that AMD have made actual measurable progress in the areas that were important… well according to all the Nvidia fans anyway

Note: I had a 980Ti, 1080, 2080, 3080 and now a 4080. I obviously just follow whatever Nvidia marketing throw my way

 

[t2na]

Yeah, it's just a shame that so few people will get the benefit of it, for now.
And when Nvidia make something only available on the newest generation of cards the pitchforks are out with the battlecry of "forced obsolescence!", but when AMD do it everyone cheers.

When Intel did it, everyone said 'yeah that makes sense'. XeSS available for any GPU - but noticeably better on Intel GPUs as they have dedicated ML hardware for XeSS. So FSR3 is available for all, but FSR4 (using the new dedicated ML harder on the 9000 series for AMD) is surely a sensible approach and no different to what Intel does?

 

[gpuerrilla]

It’s funny how people have different versions of the same events. The majority of the kickback about DLSS (and RT) was because it wasn’t available on the 1000 series and expensive Titan series. So most of the moaning was from Nvidia owners. Given most people own Nvidia it stands to reason, considering the significant market and mind share they have.

AMD fans were already used to Nvidia doing the proprietary crap and having GPUs that didn’t do the latest Nvidia fad. They just sat back and watched until the fad caught up with reality. I mean we are still a few years away from when truly good RT is actually on mainstream GPUs (sub £400).

So it isn’t the AMD “fans” having a sudden change of heart at all, they’re just happy that AMD have made actual measurable progress in the areas that were important… well according to all the Nvidia fans anyway

Note: I had a 980Ti, 1080, 2080, 3080 and now a 4080. I obviously just follow whatever Nvidia marketing throw my way

Completely this. Up until now its been a tease from the flagship end since Turing and even then RT has not been strong enough. I would say the 4080/90 were the tipping point in time where it became worth it.

AMD doing a respectable job on the upscaling together with closing the hardware this gen has shown its actually useable with enough games out there that feature it. The £500 - £700 bracket needs to demonstrate RT comfortably. At some point it will creep down to the weaker cards so that the masses can actually toggle it on and play on reasonable fps.