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It’s shocking the demand for these cards. Somehow I don’t feel msrp will come till end of year or next.
Pent up demand combined with high costs, apparent lack of supply and worries over missing ROPs in the competitor products will do that.

[edit] and driver issues, as mentioned immediately above - I'd forgotten that bit. [/edit]
 
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Yes that's the elephant in the room.
Exactly. Sadly gamers are effectively offered what's left after other products have been prioritised above dGPU dies. Not that I'm suggesting that AMD have *no* interest in gaming, they do still produce GPUs, more that the strategic decision to produce a "7" class dGPU as the top of the line this generation was likely made taking into account silicon allocation pressures.
 
Pent up demand combined with high costs, apparent lack of supply and worries over missing ROPs in the competitor products will do that.

[edit] and driver issues, as mentioned immediately above - I'd forgotten that bit. [/edit]
What lack of supply? No other industry is facing the same issues. No other parts are facing the same issue.

Apple just dropped the price on the new M4 MacBook airs from previous generation.

GPUs aren't magically separate from this materials, supply, manufacturing and distribution as other parts.

It's AMD and aib and retailers scalping
 
What lack of supply? No other industry is facing the same issues. No other parts are facing the same issue.
NVidia have been accused of a paper launch with relatively few units available for purchase.

Both AMD and NVidia have more profitable uses for their finite wafer allocation.
 
What lack of supply? No other industry is facing the same issues. No other parts are facing the same issue.

Apple just dropped the price on the new M4 MacBook airs from previous generation.

GPUs aren't magically separate from this materials, supply, manufacturing and distribution as other parts.

It's AMD and aib and retailers scalping

What other companies do is irrelevant, this is about AMD and Nvidia having a finite wafer allocation. They have to decide to allocate that finite resource to create the most profit. News flash… it ain’t GPUs.
 
What other companies do is irrelevant, this is about AMD and Nvidia having a finite wafer allocation. They have to decide to allocate that finite resource to create the most profit. News flash… it ain’t GPUs.
You are wrong still, even apple uses tmsc among other companies so yes it's relevant because it's paints a picture where the prescalped prices only exist on gpus. I've explained already the chain is the same yet other companies have even achieved reduction in prices.
 
NVidia have been accused of a paper launch with relatively few units available for purchase.

Both AMD and NVidia have more profitable uses for their finite wafer allocation.
This is because they intentionally reduced manufacturing, it's very obvious they are trying to fabricate a supply and demand issue like the silicon shortage which affected everything. But right now no other parts is suffering that issue.

Gpus are the only outlier
 
This should be thereabouts where the 9070XT RT hits on the heavy titles that nvidia usually would have stridden out. Also bear in mind I have for over four years a 3090 and I know this was not quite able to squeeze out great RT fps. I don't think the 4070Ti was much better than it, at least from the charts I recall seeing?


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This is because they intentionally reduced manufacturing, it's very obvious they are trying to fabricate a supply and demand issue like the silicon shortage which affected everything. But right now no other parts is suffering that issue.

Gpus are the only outlier
If by that it is meant that AMD have assigned wafers from their finite allocation based on their prioritisation of their different product segments then "yes" - as other product segments are more profitable in general and in $/mm² terms.

It's not as if AMD will have any wafers lying around that could otherwise have been used for GPU dies....
 
nvidia 50 series on the shelf and people are still not buying it waiting for 9070xt drops the missing ROPS and bad drivers putting people off I would assume they release a press statement about fixing black screens yesterday for the 5th time
Don't forget the occasional flames.

I don't mind slightly warm but not worrying memory that I can cool with a slight bump in fan curve but having to have a fire extinguisher on standby is a step too far for me.
 
If by that it is meant that AMD have assigned wafers from their finite allocation based on their prioritisation of their different product segments then "yes" - as other product segments are more profitable in general and in $/mm² terms.

It's not as if AMD will have any wafers lying around that could otherwise have been used for GPU dies....
Wafers are finite for everyone yet all other parts are not following the same cost increase pattern.

You can't seem to explain the disparity here.

AMD and Nvidia aren't the only ones that use silicon wafers at tmsc and other manufacturing plants.
 
Wafers are finite for everyone yet all other parts are not following the same cost increase pattern.

You can't seem to explain the disparity here.

AMD and Nvidia aren't the only ones that use silicon wafers at tmsc and other manufacturing plants.
Maybe take a look at revenues and profitability per market segment for both AMD and NVidia - it's self explanatory.
 
This is literally true for everyone.

This isn't unique to AMD and Nvidia yet they are the only outlier.
In which case both companies are enjoying profits from the datacentre and AI segments. They are under no obligation to reduce their profits just because consumers want dGPUs.
 
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