*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[GhostDog1981]

That'd be awful! NVidia would never gatekeep features behind their latest GPU architecture, would they?

I’m quite cynical as the 9070 series don’t have tensor cores just faster gpu cores to allow WMMA FP8 calculations. So it isn’t too far fetched to say that UDNA1 might have AMDs equivalent of tensor cores and a more performant FSR4/5 to run on that only.

 

[ChosenName]

I’m quite cynical as the 9070 series don’t have tensor cores just faster gpu cores to allow WMMA FP8 calculations. So it isn’t too far fetched to say that UDNA1 might have AMDs equivalent of tensor cores and a more performant FSR4/5 to run on that only.

Which, if they did so, would not be something that only AMD does - but at least it would be due to the old parts not having the necessary capabilities and not simply because someone decided that it'd be a neat USP of a new generation of cards.

 

[GhostDog1981]

Which, if they did so, would not be something that only AMD does - but at least it would be due to the old parts not having the necessary capabilities and not simply because someone decided that it'd be a neat USP of a new generation of cards.

Nvidia have back ported DLSS4 on all GPUs back to the 20 series but albeit with caveats on performance the lower down the stack you go.

 

[ChosenName]

Nvidia have back ported DLSS4 on all GPUs back to the 20 series but albeit with caveats on performance the lower down the stack you go.

At launch, or eventually after the initial surge of new gen cards had already been sold at scarcity pricing?

At launch of DLSS 4 - nice! Hopefully AMD will take note of that and identify how much of FSR4 can be made available to previous gen cards.

 

[Bidley]

This thread has really jumped the shark now. And that's saying something!

 

[mahius]

RX 9060 XT and 9060 incoming I believe, in about two months Re expanding RDNA 4 range.

To not be pointless failures, they'd need to perform like 7700XT/7800XT for cheaper price. Given that 7800XTs are around £400, a similarly performing 9060XT should be no more than £300. That's based on modern day poor value, ideally it should be no more than £250.

The 9070XT Dominating sales at Mindfactory

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904467769376088124

More than Nvidia combined... probably cos Nvidia still didn't improve availability.

Those of us who were hyped to get one, have got one and are busy playing on it.

I wasn't as hyped and while I've been playing a little... still not significantly as one might expect. I still haven't started the new Monster Hunter.
I do feel bad, since there's plenty of folks who definitely were far more excited for it than I was. Mostly I'm happy that a minor OCD issue was fixed with this upgrade.

Just seen somewhere was selling the Pulse 9070 for under £450. Unsurprisingly it went OoS.... hint AMD....hint

That's what it should have launched at to not have failed being cannibalised by the 9070XT. I hope more go for this price to bring the price to something more sensible.

 

[michty_me]

Looks like a Asrock steel legend dark edition is incoming in April too.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I’m quite cynical as the 9070 series don’t have tensor cores just faster gpu cores to allow WMMA FP8 calculations. So it isn’t too far fetched to say that UDNA1 might have AMDs equivalent of tensor cores and a more performant FSR4/5 to run on that only.

You can't win on here. AMD made an open source,hardware agnostic upscaler that worked on almost all modern GPU hardware and people were moaning that it didn't work as well as Nvidia/Intel methods using proprietary hardware. Turing cards such as the GTX1660 series were some of the most popular cards on Steam,but nobody on here cared they were locked out of DLSS.

People on here said they would only buy AMD if they did the same hardware based methods,as purely software based methods were janky. AMD needed to move with the times.

People got what they wanted and AMD made a proprietary hardware based method and now people are moaning it is not hardware agnostic. You all asked for this!

"Tensor cores" are also just Nvidia proprietary naming for hardware to do certain operations.Considering:
1.)AMD FSR4 does not use "Tensor cores" to get performance close to DLSS4,that tells you they are not really required.
2.)Just like AMD framegen used a different method to RTX4000 framegen and now RTX5000 framegen uses a method closer to AMD framegen.
3.)Even DLSS3 worked reasonably well even on cards with 1st generation Tensor cores compared to the latest versions on the RTX4000 series. This indicates the actual performance required of those cores was not massive.
4.)AMD has to make a uarch which scales downwards too for things such as IGPs,so using a more general purpose method would make more sense.
5.)FSR4 is being backported to the PS5 PRO which is a mix of RDNA4 and RDNA2,so there could be another version for maybe RDNA3 or at least RDNA3.5?

 

[brostradamus]

tensor cores are not proprietary they just do one matrix multiply and operation - guess its limited to 4X4 matrix datatypes and you got to rebuild instructions for larger matrices by breaking them into 4x4 datatypes in the pipeline
effectively D =A*B+C, its probably an industry standard by now

 

[ChosenName]

You can't win on here. AMD made an open source,hardware agnostic upscaler that worked on almost all modern GPU hardware and people were moaning that it didn't work as well as Nvidia/Intel methods using proprietary hardware. Turing cards such as the GTX1660 series were some of the most popular cards on Steam,but nobody on here cared they were locked out of DLSS.

It's as if whichever new NVidia feature that is not yet available on competing cards, and may not even be usable in games at acceptable FPS on many NVidia cards, is seen as a validation of NVidia's pricing and perception of their position in the dGPU market - a form of confirmation bias if you will.

Remembering TomsHardware's quite cringeworthy "Just Buy It!" piece when the NVidia 2000 series launched with first gen hardware RT acceleration.

[edit] GamersNexus' response to the article was on point regarding the exhortation to purchase the cards with the new and exclusive feature:

[/edit]

 

[Joxeon]

We maybe nearing the limits of Moores law but there’s plenty of room left for Jensens law where prices double every few years.

 

[humbug]

We maybe nearing the limits of Moores law but there’s plenty of room left for Jensens law where prices double every few years.

The 5090 is 35% faster than the 4090.
The 5070 is 21% faster than the 4070.

The 4090 was 67% faster than the 3090.
The 4070 was 28% faster than the 3070.

If you're only spending around £600 Jenson doesn't believe you are deserving of a proper upgrade.

 

[Grim5]

The 5090 is 35% faster than the 4090.
The 5070 is 21% faster than the 4070.

The 4090 was 67% faster than the 3090.
The 4070 was 28% faster than the 3070.

If you're only spending around £600 Jenson doesn't believe you are deserving of a proper upgrade.

Jensen fans be like: Yeah but if you include dlss4 FG numbers then the 5090 is 200% faster than 4090 and 5070 is 100% faster than 4070*





















*FG= fake frame performance, higher latency and is only available 0.001% of PC games

 

[humbug]

Once you have 90% marketshare the only way to go is to give you less for more money, growth cannot be gained through increased marketshare, the only way to extract more from consumers is to give them less GPU for more money.

Jensen fans be like: Yeah but if you include dlss4 FG numbers then the 5090 is 200% faster than 4090 and 5070 is 100% faster than 4070*





















*FG= fake frame performance, higher latency and only available 0.001% of PC games

Nvidia fans have won their stupid game, congratulations Nvidia fans, enjoy your stupid prise.

 

[Journey]

So lets get down to brass tacks here, what price are the RX 9060 and 9060 XT 8GB and 16GB variant landing at? I am assuming it'll be something like

£229-249 - RX 9060 8GB,
£299-319 - RX 9060 XT 8GB
£359-379 - RX 9060 XT 16GB

I know this will once again depend on the leather jacket wearing green goblin prices for the 5060/Ti/Super/Ultra/Mega or whatever they call it, but the 4060 is ~£250 and is a bag of literal poo in terms of value and performance, so the new ones can only be better, right? Right?

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Are AMD's 60 cards confirmed for 8gb? That's pretty weak.

 

[Thekwango]

Are AMD's 60 cards confirmed for 8gb? That's pretty weak.

Bottom of stack appears to be 8gb with 16 reserved for the top.

 

[Joxeon]

So lets get down to brass tacks here, what price are the RX 9060 and 9060 XT 8GB and 16GB variant landing at? I am assuming it'll be something like

£229-249 - RX 9060 8GB,
£299-319 - RX 9060 XT 8GB
£359-379 - RX 9060 XT 16GB

I know this will once again depend on the leather jacket wearing green goblin prices for the 5060/Ti/Super/Ultra/Mega or whatever they call it, but the 4060 is ~£250 and is a bag of literal poo in terms of value and performance, so the new ones can only be better, right? Right?

I wouldn’t pay over £200 for an 8gb card in 2025 but I think AMD and Nvidia will both price the 9060 and 5060 above £200, with the 8gb XT and Ti’s being above £300 unfortunately.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So lets get down to brass tacks here, what price are the RX 9060 and 9060 XT 8GB and 16GB variant landing at? I am assuming it'll be something like

£229-249 - RX 9060 8GB,
£299-319 - RX 9060 XT 8GB
£359-379 - RX 9060 XT 16GB

I know this will once again depend on the leather jacket wearing green goblin prices for the 5060/Ti/Super/Ultra/Mega or whatever they call it, but the 4060 is ~£250 and is a bag of literal poo in terms of value and performance, so the new ones can only be better, right? Right?

If Navi 44 is exactly half a Navi 48 I am doubtful it will beat an RX7700XT.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Bottom of stack appears to be 8gb with 16 reserved for the top.

They saw the jokes being made at Nvidia releasing another 8gb 60 card and thought "we want this".