Quite like the EV9, definitely worth a look.
It wasn't that long ago that I would have laughed at the notion of £60K Kia, the EV9 can go to £80K
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Quite like the EV9, definitely worth a look.
It wasn't that long ago that I would have laughed at the notion of £60K Kia, the EV9 can go to £80K
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i agree which is why i do think it needs to be implemented better... when the luxury tax was 1st implemented family cars were a good 25% cheaper in general, however whilst car prices have gone up the lux car tax level has remained stable.
That said even an entry level E Niro with solid paint is still a decent family car....... so my point was yes it needs to be improved but it would be wrong to say even so that you cant get a decent family car without paying the lux tax.
The badge however ..... times change and imo Kia are no longer the budget "cheap" brand they used to be - For me this sucks. until i got my current cars (Jag / BMW) I deliberately used to buy the cars the "brand snobs" would avoid 2nd hand, which meant i got a lot more car for my money.
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Similar story with our neighbours - wrote off their aging 1 series a few weeks ago, and she came out and had a chat with me asking about the Zoe I used to have as she was planning on getting a EV to replace it for a cheap run around for local journeys, I laughed and said if she got one, as soon as her husband had a chance to drive it, he'd want one. A week or so later she picked up a Leaf to replace the BMW... last weekend his car was gone and replaced with an MG ZS
Last week a friend put a meme on The Facebooks asking "What would you never buy even if you won the lottery?" and he put an EV.
I replied "I would never buy another ICE".
He then PM'd me asking if I was serious so to cut a long story short I went round his house for him to have a go and put him right on a few things.
I didn't convince him to have one but he saw that for some people who have done their homework they are excellent and he removed his post
Next week they get the MG tattoo.
67 and not one tattoo but I'm already looking at designs.
Volvo EX90 is a lovely 7 seater, think the Buzz has a LWB 7 seater now too, obviously Kias sister brand too.
Obviously with all EVs subject to tax now PHEVs are not at so much of a disadvantage over EVs these days from a tax perspective and are still valid options which opens up more 7 seaters.
Obviously with all EVs subject to tax now PHEVs are not at so much of a disadvantage over EVs these days from a tax perspective and are still valid options which opens up more 7 seaters.
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So in essence you went from buying cars with higher than average depreciation to... buying cars with higher than average depreciation. What exactly changed?
Looks like we may be getting our first EV at work, a van to replace the runabout. It won't do more than 30 miles a day but it's a start. The big boss has an EV at home now (his wife's car) and I noticed it is in the car park today as she works term time. The grape vine tells me he really likes it so it could be the start of a culture shift for the company vehicles.
Sure if your tastes aren't discerning and anyone can just 'make do' then they can be had, but many of them are not what I'd call 'interesting' at all and even a decent Skoda enroq/enyaq can easily get over the wrong side of £40k these days.
Thank God the second had market has bombed and a 2024 Polstar 2 long range dual motor can be had for little over £32k with 101 miles on the clock http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202502179180584?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android-app
However if more incentives were given then the cheaper ones also become cheaper so really a win win situation but both the Tories and Labour seem to be going the wrong way.
The incentives were to spur adoption, I think you can say that target has been achieved, with so many EVs being bought now they have to pull incentives the loss to the tax receipts with an EV is large what with losses on the fuel and VED etc. EVs don't need incentives, you just need nice affordable EVs, manufacturers are starting to address this with reasonable sized cars at reasonable prices under ECS ( well all cars are too pricy IMO even the cheap ones )
ECS could do with moving with inflation though, but then so could my income tax personal allowance, I know which I would rather change first.
ECS could do with moving with inflation though, but then so could my income tax personal allowance, I know which I would rather change first.
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Whilst the take up of EV's plateaued a year ago they've ever bombed ever since then. Then there is also a huge gulf between what is seen as 'affordable' and decent.
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There are issues for some people with EVs - esp for those who cant charge at home........ but the utter FUD bordering on lies in a lot of the media has also not helped.
if our media were all honest about them , and gave them a fair shot, explaining their downsides but also highlighting their upsides instead of going for clickbaity FUD either scaring people of their safety or over egging when the infrastrucuture failed or got overwhelmed on say a bank holiday around cornwall
then i dont think you would have as many people reticent to get one. People also are naturally afraid of change, even if ultimately once used to it the change is good.
if i was to believe the spam i get on my phone forced down my neck from the daily express/mail etc i would think EVs are a car bomb waiting to happen, which become unusable due to insane range drain once we have a head wind or a chilly day as well as the majority of public chargers do not work and those that do being hrs long waiting lists........ and lets not forget the battery... just think of your 5 year old laptop and how knackered those batteries are........ surely an EV is the same?.. and then finally there are the poor children forced down artisanal mines to get the cobalt, conveniently forgetting the cobalt in a battery is 1) optional and 2) recyclable unlike that used in ICE vehicles and infrastructure.
ok perhaps i exaggerate a bit (which is ok as i am not a reporter and this site is not claiming to be a "news" source............... but its sadly not that far off what has been reported from actual supposed journalists on places claiming to show news.
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19.4% of 357,103 sales doesnt fall into bombed in my book?
Which country did they plateau in exactly? There were 70k BEV's registered last month alone, and it's likely that there would be a 24-27% over all market share by the year end, this is for the UK.
Yet the ironic thing is that without this "FUD" you probably wouldn't own an EV, let alone two of them in the household.
Honestly, as a secondhand buyer I'd be happy for the doom and gloom stories to remain as long as there were still new vehicles making their way into the market somehow.
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The problems with EVs aren't all FUD though, they legitimately have issues versus what has gone before, yes there are benefits but its not all rosy, they don't work for everyone.
I'm looking at small EVs now that can be used as a family 'pool' car for all the running about we do when we don't need our tank or want to use sportscar because those things barely fits in parking spaces etc. around here, the Up is lovely for this, but a small EV would be perfect, but even with my experience of running a PHEV that is mostly used as an EV and being very receptive to an EV and generally happy with its slow charging, I look at the small EV range, plus slow charging and it gives pause for thought as they only have the one source, if it was never going to be used for anymore than city use fine but there is always other usage as I find now with the Up.
The little Up that can do between 360 and 500 miles to a 35l fill up, there's no where it can't go, anytime, anywhere, if I needed to use it for more when the the tank is in service elsewhere. Zero thought required, yes I know you can work around this on EVs with a bit of planning and time etc, but uuurgh
I'm looking at small EVs now that can be used as a family 'pool' car for all the running about we do when we don't need our tank or want to use sportscar because those things barely fits in parking spaces etc. around here, the Up is lovely for this, but a small EV would be perfect, but even with my experience of running a PHEV that is mostly used as an EV and being very receptive to an EV and generally happy with its slow charging, I look at the small EV range, plus slow charging and it gives pause for thought as they only have the one source, if it was never going to be used for anymore than city use fine but there is always other usage as I find now with the Up.
The little Up that can do between 360 and 500 miles to a 35l fill up, there's no where it can't go, anytime, anywhere, if I needed to use it for more when the the tank is in service elsewhere. Zero thought required, yes I know you can work around this on EVs with a bit of planning and time etc, but uuurgh
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i see what you are saying and it is definitely true for people who buy now.... and i do kind of wish i didnt buy when i did as i could save, probably £15k over what i spent on both of our cars (obviously getting equivalent age cars today as they were when i got them)
however i absolutely didnt buy at a great time and i paid what would be considered now to be considerably over the odds.
still, not either of the cars faults, both of which have been great, and so long as i ride out the depreciation i should be ok in the long run.
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what about something like one of the larger battery Zoes? sure only 50kw DC charging but if you dont plan on long trips in it that wont be an issue, and with a genuine 200 mile range there is no where in the uk you could not go in it?
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I do agree tho, an EV isnt for everyone right now, and i am all for fairly covering their strengths and weaknesses.
but our media has managed to make a significant number of people afraid of EVs... people who they absolutely would work for. i know this for a fact because it includes my mum.
she wants a nice car, not an old banger, is prepared to pay significant money (£15k would be no problem and would consider new potentially obviously paying more money then) never drives more than 30 miles from her home and has a driveway.
but wont entertain an EV even as their 2nd car. (my dads car is the one they travel long distance in) and that is largely because of what she reads in the paper about them (Daily mail) and what her friends tell her about them at the pub....... despite having a son who has an EV and only drives an EV . Madness really.
(oh and just to add the clinker to the .... sandwich in our last coversation on the subject she also helped fill my bingo card with things like, Hydrogen cars will be along soon and with replace EVs as well as the absolute banger that she may get one of those "self charging hybrids!".) I have given up now... she can buy what she wants, its her money. I was really hoping purely selfishly she would get a R5 and i could get it off her for mates rates in the future
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The VW Up was discontinued 18 months ago so it’s a bit of a moot point here isn’t an equivalent EV being sold today because you can’t buy a new ICE version either.
Isn’t the Renault 5 is the current benchmark rather than the Zoe given the ‘cut off’ is 2030 and not 2023 when the Up was last made?
Isn’t the Renault 5 is the current benchmark rather than the Zoe given the ‘cut off’ is 2030 and not 2023 when the Up was last made?
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i mentioned the Zoe because sandys didnt seem like they were considering a new car - given the Up is no longer made.
the R5 is the new Zoe in terms of market placement i imagine.
Sorry, I was more thinking the R5 would be making a really good buy in the used market in 3-5 years in this class. In the mean time, if you needed something more flexible, just buy the Up.
The Zoe makes a good second car in the household but I probably wouldn’t recommend you bought one was your only car due to its ‘first generation EV’ capabilities. Same thing with the leaf.
That said, the Up tend to also fit that same use case as a second car anyway because its not particularly comfortable for long journeys and you really wouldn’t want to be involved in a high speed collision in one. I’m sure some crazy person does 150 miles a day in theirs and swears by it but that doesn’t mean you should.
100 miles a day in a Clio was bad enough when I did that for 2 years.
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Could easily be replaced by an equivalently sized and equally performant mpg wise i10 or something so not moot at all, I just mention Up as it is what I have.
But yes the R5 looks much better, nicer inside too.
The Zoe doesn't actually manage 200 miles, can't do a return trip to heathrow from Bristol on one charge, my colleague has one and is changing it because it can't do range at reasonable mway speed.
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