So you don't know anything about this despite your numerous posts on the topic? Cool, nothing new there then.
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I'd say that the issue will be evident in any vehicle with a computer, and the potential to connect to a Wi-Fi or cellular network as you pointed, more so those with Bluetooth microphones that have been around since, I don't know when, for hand free mobiles etc. Add in cameras now, on all cars, and you pretty much have a google maps car driving everywhere, will be loads more backward facing data than forward though.
You're deluded (as are MOD) if you (and they) think it's only EVs effected by this. Modern cars are all connected to the internet, have computers (30-100) controlling brakes, steering, throttles entertainment, dash cams etc.
This is certain Chinese components they are worried about. JLR and VW have obviously been fitting their cars with the same stuff as BYD etc. They don't do this for no reason.
Usually a ban like this means they have seen suspicious data packets being sent back to China. Which is why Huawei network equipment was banned for government use.
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Don't forget bmw are on that list, I wonder if any Rolls Royce have Chinese components.
Looks like pedalling to work at the mod.
Edit. Actually it's only certain mod sites so they can't be that worried.
The Ministry of Defence parking directive is not applied across all military sites, only selected sensitive locations
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If the government are so scared of the Chinese spying on us and having the ability to shutdown cars, then why let them invest so much into our infrastructure?
How much vital UK infrastructure does China own?
BBC Verify looks at what we know about the extent of Chinese investment in the UK economy.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Soldato
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It's not that they've found something suspicious, it's purely based on future threat. Even if the current systems are completely clean, what's to stop a future update incorporating malicious software?
Same story for Huawei. It's purely a speculative and preventive ban of a vendor that could rather easily be pressured by a potential hostile government in future.
I hate to break it to you but most people operating on MoD bases aren't exactly a credible target for geopolitical espionage or snooping, and the government employees that are of "importance to national security" whose navigational history is sensitive either take public transport or hire a car when they're travelling to places they don't want the public or foreign governments to know about.
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It's not that they've found something suspicious, it's purely based on future threat. Even if the current systems are completely clean, what's to stop a future update incorporating malicious software?
Same story for Huawei. It's purely a speculative and preventive ban of a vendor that could rather easily be pressured by a potential hostile government in future.
I hate to break it to you but most people operating on MoD bases aren't exactly a credible target for geopolitical espionage or snooping, and the government employees that are of "importance to national security" whose navigational history is sensitive either take public transport or hire a car when they're travelling to places they don't want the public or foreign governments to know about.
It's not just Huawei, a load of other Chinese hardware was ripped out, including CCTV equipment. I was involved in some of it...
And yes, some bases are big espionage targets. You have no idea.
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IF it is that much of a concern then the real bone headed thing is not banning it from the country full stop... esp if there is plenty of "safe" options as claimed. it's bonkers that some would try to turn this into an EV thing however
Did you not know the way you get power to your wheels to move your personal transport effects loads of things? Milk prices, weather patterns, the ability to form coherent sentences, the reduction in bird numbers, Prince Harry's next book being worse than the first, and a whole heap of other things. It's amazing how much power a battery has... pun intended.
It's not an EV thing. But these certain EVs happen to have vulnerable/compromised hardware, which is now being seen as a national security threat. Along with some phones, smart watches, network gear, laptops etc.
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So given what you claim to “know” first hand, why did you attribute this to an EV only thing?
The only AND I STRESS ONLY thing different between an EV and an ICE, is the drivetrain and fuel source. Absolutely nothing about an EV requires it to be more (or less) connected than an ICE.
Some people go to any lengths with their anti EV sentiment.
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Well it's only certain brand's EVs which have been banned from driving on. Which means they aren't using the same components at all...
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It's not just the fact EV's might be connected, their electronics content per se is much greater, and the possibility for compromise of secure/privileged cpu system on drivetrain
not just concerned by car spying - moreover sabotage/kill-switch like huawei concern, or mundane, like apple, slowing down older phones (like tears in rain) time to die.
(Iranian nuclear scientists or Hezbollah opo's driving tesla might not be the best option, with the potential battery chemical energy / automated driving, not withstanding )
not just concerned by car spying - moreover sabotage/kill-switch like huawei concern, or mundane, like apple, slowing down older phones (like tears in rain) time to die.
(Iranian nuclear scientists or Hezbollah opo's driving tesla might not be the best option, with the potential battery chemical energy / automated driving, not withstanding )
Wasn't the slowing down of older phones apples decision?
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I forgot about these, Astras too. Bloody clever idea if you think of their target markets.
Ah yes of course I forgot that ICE vehicles don’t have an ECU and they don’t have any stored chemical energy either
Can you try engaging brain before typing on the keyboard
Ah yes of course I forgot that ICE vehicles don’t have an ECU and they don’t have any stored chemical energy either
Can you try engaging brain before typing on the keyboard
An engine ECU isn't connected to the outside world. The controls for EV drivetrains are...
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I didn’t know they used Chinese CCTV in McDonalds?
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has been discussed before how few ev's can be woken via wi-fi to initiate a morning defrost say (you need a reliable mobile signal ), but maybe there is an anti-tamper method in this madness
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exothermic energy release on battery run-away ? like that recent xiaomi.
has been discussed before how few ev's can be woken via wi-fi to initiate a morning defrost say (you need a reliable mobile signal ), but maybe there is an anti-tamper method in this madness
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