BMW and M Power Owners

[tamzzy]

Previous owner was a porker.

yes, that must be why there's no pics of the driver's seat lol

 

[Bear]

Previous owner was a porker.

That was kind of what I was going to say. I have similar sort of seats in my car and the side bolsters come up quite high. If you have a narrow backside then it’s fine but if you have a wide backside, you half sit on the lower part of the bolsters which can cause creasing which is what I think has happened on those

 

[Dis86]

That was kind of what I was going to say. I have similar sort of seats in my car and the side bolsters come up quite high. If you have a narrow backside then it’s fine but if you have a wide backside, you half sit on the lower part of the bolsters which can cause creasing which is what I think has happened on those

It's not just that. The weight in general degrades the foam, they use the steering wheel to pull themselves in and out which causes wear, they slide over the seat and bolster when getting in and out.

 

[IC3]

LCI non comp gets my vote

I've been watching the market, OG's take longer to sell compared to Comp. I don't keep cars for long, something that will be easy to sell without a massive hit on my wallet would be a big bonus.

I have the same car, but on less than half the mileage (late 2019). It's been glorious. I'm not clear on the wear though - I'd say mine looks newer but it's not significantly better than the photos I don't think?

You looking to sell?

That's priced very aggresively, well below the current market rate for an M2C of that age and mileage. I would be interested to know why.

It's missing the M2 Comfort Pack (although some of the options are selected), which will go some way to explaining why. Majority of buyers are after both the Comfort and Plus packs.

I also think it still has an existing BMW Insured Warranty policy, which is a huge plus point.

Definitely worth a look.

I think, I know the reason why.. The dealer appears to deal with high end cars looking at their website, I think they just want this part ex to clear quickly to make room for another high end car.

My mate works for a dealership in London that has some rare cars like F40 and they always want cars like MX and AMGs out the door ASAP because their usual clientele isn't interested in cars like that. Apparently, it's also easier to sell expensive cars, most people buy sight unseen and request delivery to their doorstep.

Previous owner was a porker.

Lol

Insurance quotes are pretty insane too, well over 2k with my 6 ncb and 1 claim (it expires this year). If, I change the car on my current insurance policy, I've to pay 900 and it'll get me covered till Jan next year. I would be looking to sell next year or right after the summer anyway. The OG is a lot cheaper to insure at around 800-900 for the year, I was hopeful thinking the F80 would be cheaper, but it's around the same as the M2C..

 

[MrRockliffe]

I've been watching the market, OG's take longer to sell compared to Comp. I don't keep cars for long, something that will be easy to sell without a massive hit on my wallet would be a big bonus.

That’s fair.

I’m not sure why the comp gets more attention as the N55 is a properly delicious engine by comparison.


Costs less to buy, less quick (a good thing when you’re driving it on public roads), sounds much better and otherwise the same.

 

[Robi]

That’s fair.

I’m not sure why the comp gets more attention as the N55 is a properly delicious engine by comparison.


Costs less to buy, less quick (a good thing when you’re driving it on public roads), sounds much better and otherwise the same.

S55 also a brilliant engine (arguably a proper M engine unlike the N55). The only complaint people have with it is that it sounds more refined aka quiet compared to the N55.

The Comp gets more attention as it's a significant step up from the OG - improved suspension, more power, better brakes, updated interior/exterior and proper seats.

I've seen low mileage AUC Comps with both packs sell within 24 hours of being listed, the demand is huge right now.

 

[MrRockliffe]

S55 also a brilliant engine (arguably a proper M engine unlike the N55). The only complaint people have with it is that it sounds more refined aka quiet compared to the N55.

The Comp gets more attention as it's a significant step up from the OG - improved suspension, more power, better brakes, updated interior/exterior and proper seats.

I've seen low mileage AUC Comps with both packs sell within 24 hours of being listed, the demand is huge right now.

The “proper M engine” thing is rubbish IMO. The N55 in the M2 OG isn’t the same variant as the one in the 135/235i anyhow.


Don’t find the S55 quiet, just think it sounds terrible due to the strange design decision to make the exhaust length different for each cylinder bank. Makes it sound overly raspy and tinny - very unlike a 6 cylinder.


Didn’t realise the suspension was different though from the OG LCI. May be worth it but I wouldn’t be able to say unless I’d driven both back to back. That being said the OG M2 is lighter so not sure if there would be a huge difference in experience between them, combined with smaller wheels on the OG vs comp.

 

[MacRS4]

The only thing I miss from my original manual M2 and then LCI DCT is the sound. That's it. There's nothing wrong with how the Comp sounds, I just preferred the sound of the older one.

It's a difficult thing to explain here as the M2 OG fans jump on you, but while I liked the M2 I never really loved it. Never felt particularly quick, and its handling could feel a bit unsettling (to me) - sometimes in less than perfect roads it could feel like it was going to bounce you into a bush. Also silly little things used to irritate - like not being able to turn off the reversing beep-beep, and also the dials in my original manual were impossible to see if it was sunny.

I've heard the suspension in the OG & Comp are physically similar down to parts etc. but they do feel very different. The Comp is planted in a way neither of my M2s ever felt like.

They're not bad cars by any stretch - the M2 - I'd just have a Comp over one any day of the week.

 

[Robi]

The “proper M engine” thing is rubbish IMO. The N55 in the M2 OG isn’t the same variant as the one in the 135/235i anyhow.


Don’t find the S55 quiet, just think it sounds terrible due to the strange design decision to make the exhaust length different for each cylinder bank. Makes it sound overly raspy and tinny - very unlike a 6 cylinder.


Didn’t realise the suspension was different though from the OG LCI. May be worth it but I wouldn’t be able to say unless I’d driven both back to back. That being said the OG M2 is lighter so not sure if there would be a huge difference in experience between them, combined with smaller wheels on the OG vs comp.

The S55 was introduced for the M3 and M4, whereas the N55 started life in a 5 series. That alone tells you it's a proper M engine. I am however not doubting that the S55 in the OG M2 is fantastic.

Both great cars. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I am absolutely biased when it comes to the Comp however, so probably best not to take too much away from what I'm saying.

The whole OG vs Comp discussion comes up nearly every week on the M2 owners group. It always ends up with OG owners talking about the sound and how raw the car is, to Comp owners claiming OG owners can't afford the Comp hence why they prefer the OG. Horses for courses.

 

[mjt]

The S55 was introduced for the M3 and M4, whereas the N55 started life in a 5 series. That alone tells you it's a proper M engine. I am however not doubting that the S55 in the OG M2 is fantastic.

Both great cars. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I am absolutely biased when it comes to the Comp however, so probably best not to take too much away from what I'm saying.

The whole OG vs Comp discussion comes up nearly every week on the M2 owners group. It always ends up with OG owners talking about the sound and how raw the car is, to Comp owners claiming OG owners can't afford the Comp hence why they prefer the OG. Horses for courses.

FWIW my dad's old 535i GT sounded nowhere near as good as my OG M2. The N55 in the M2 may not be a "real M engine" /adenoids but the rest of car is definitely an M. And it does sound better than the comp so

-edit the Comp is a "better" car, as in more competent and capable, but that lack of finesse is what gives the OG its character.

 

[IC3]

That’s fair.

I’m not sure why the comp gets more attention as the N55 is a properly delicious engine by comparison.


Costs less to buy, less quick (a good thing when you’re driving it on public roads), sounds much better and otherwise the same.

I don't live in the UK, I just visit my family often here. I still would prefer to get the car from the UK and drive it back, as its significantly cheaper along with other benefits of having a foreign plate. Only downside is the RHD, but where I live the extra power will definitely not go to waste.

If I still lived in the UK, I wouldn't bother.. I'm home sitting and watching over pets now, I did a 1h trip today after not driving in the UK for 8+ months, the quality of driving is appalling to put it lightly, not to mention the potholes.. I meant to say craters! 5 cars hogging right lane, when left is clear, I just put cruise control dead on 70 and stayed in left lane undertaking everyone. I did at least 10-15 miles before the first undertake (not sure if this is right, as technically the person was hoggin the lane when left was clear..). I think underataking is a manevour you do intentionally?

 

[MrRockliffe]

If I still lived in the UK, I wouldn't bother.. I'm home sitting and watching over pets now, I did a 1h trip today after not driving in the UK for 8+ months, the quality of driving is appalling to put it lightly, not to mention the potholes.. I meant to say craters! 5 cars hogging right lane, when left is clear, I just put cruise control dead on 70 and stayed in left lane undertaking everyone. I did at least 10-15 miles before the first undertake (not sure if this is right, as technically the person was hoggin the lane when left was clear..). I think underataking is a manevour you do intentionally?

My understanding is that you shouldn’t pass on the left at all, unless in traffic. I used to do it because I didn’t feel it was intentional, but then watched a video and developed a better understanding of the situation and risks - decided not to anymore.

Driving is poor in the UK generally though. Worse still in Wales. Considering that, I find, the Welsh are generally laid back and chill, they’re bloody impatient in a car!!

 

[muon]

My understanding is that you shouldn’t pass on the left at all, unless in traffic. I used to do it because I didn’t feel it was intentional, but then watched a video and developed a better understanding of the situation and risks - decided not to anymore.

Driving is poor in the UK generally though. Worse still in Wales. Considering that, I find, the Welsh are generally laid back and chill, they’re bloody impatient in a car!!

That's BS. The driver on the left did not speed up. The other lanes slowed down and you can see all their brake lights come on.

 

[MrRockliffe]

That's BS. The driver on the left did not speed up. The other lanes slowed down and you can see all their brake lights come on.

I don’t think it mentions the driver speeds up. But nevertheless, they pass vehicles on their right, hence pulled over.


My ID.7 would have braked in this scenario if on adaptive cruise. It’s programmed not to undertake even if the lane to the right is just going more slowly. It matches their speed

 

[mjt]

I don’t think it mentions the driver speeds up. But nevertheless, they pass vehicles on their right, hence pulled over.


My ID.7 would have braked in this scenario if on adaptive cruise. It’s programmed not to undertake even if the lane to the right is just going more slowly. It matches their speed

Yes my Q7 does the same. Quite annoying actually, especially as it'll start braking far ahead.
It also slows down if there is a tight corner on a motorway. Also hugely annoying. Don't understand why you can't turn off ACC like with some systems..

 

[Funky-Melon]

I'm looking into buying either an M140i or a 330i ~2017 age, so 3L 6cyl turbo (B58?) vs the 4cyl turbo (B48?) on the 330i. Anyone have any thoughts as to which would be the better buy?

From what I've read, the engine/gearbox combo in the M140i is great but the chassis struggles a bit to keep up, where as the 330i is generally a better car in terms of quality/chassis/practicality but it's a 4 pot. I'm not a BMW purist (never had one) so not sure how much this matters to me? Is it reliable?

I've recently dropped to 2 days a week on site work wise (106 mile round trip) which is all motorway, so I expect mpg won't be too bad just cruising in the 3L and enjoying it on weekends?

 

[GravyMonster]

B58 all day every day IMO

 

[ChrisD.]

B58 all day every day IMO

This. It's a freak of an engine.

 

[MrRockliffe]

I'm looking into buying either an M140i or a 330i ~2017 age, so 3L 6cyl turbo (B58?) vs the 4cyl turbo (B48?) on the 330i. Anyone have any thoughts as to which would be the better buy?

From what I've read, the engine/gearbox combo in the M140i is great but the chassis struggles a bit to keep up, where as the 330i is generally a better car in terms of quality/chassis/practicality but it's a 4 pot. I'm not a BMW purist (never had one) so not sure how much this matters to me? Is it reliable?

I've recently dropped to 2 days a week on site work wise (106 mile round trip) which is all motorway, so I expect mpg won't be too bad just cruising in the 3L and enjoying it on weekends?

If you’re looking at F20 1 Series B58 vs F30 3 Series B48 then I’d pick the B58 every time.


If however you can get a G20 330i then I would absolutely pick the G20.

 

[Funky-Melon]

If you’re looking at F20 1 Series B58 vs F30 3 Series B48 then I’d pick the B58 every time.


If however you can get a G20 330i then I would absolutely pick the G20.

Thanks, G20 will be out of budget I think so leaning more towards the M140i. Plus, I currently have a 2.5 5 pot so think I'd regret losing the nice warble sound when you put your foot down

EDIT: I see a lot of people getting extended warranties with BMW's, are they that unreliable or is it more when they go wrong they cost mega money to fix? I currently have a Volvo and the main dealer rates are higher than my local Audi, Volvo parts are also extortionate, so in my head, I have costs between the BMW comparable to what I have at the mo.