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How they spend it and what the plan is, that's the issue...

What's the point in having £100m if you waste it?

Or should that be £1bn
 
fez said:
Its all up in the air. Antony won't be hard to sell. Rashford and Sancho will though. Rashford is still a legend in his own mind and thinks there will be big clubs in for him and willing to pay him big money. There won't be. Sancho will likely be happy enough just collecting his silly wages and doing nothing. Can't see Chelsea buying him.

Their wages make them almost unsaleable unless United are willing to let them go for a pittance.

Then again, we might sack Amorim, Rashford and Sancho come back under the new manager, do OK for 6 months and then sack it off again behaviourally and we are in exactly the same place a year from now.
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No player is hard to sell at the right price. The problem with Antony is what the right price is. He is on a big contract for a start. I doubt any other club will match what he is currently on which means either Man Utd pay him to leave or the club that signs him does something with a signing on fee. Either way, the net fee will be very low compared to what he was bought for.

It is the same with all the players Man Utd want to offload. None of them are worth anything close to what the club paid for them.
 
The reality is waking up this morning as a club we are truly done.

Zero money with a club that has the biggest debt in the league. With PSR we cannot simply spend our way out of it. How the hell we are going to build a new stadium beggars belief. You do something like that when the books are good and you are successful not how we are now.

We have zero chance of getting Europe next season. Top ten will be a miracle. It is sad to watch as a fan watching everything SAF built up to be basically gone now thanks to American grifters. Yet everything they did was totally legal.

Football teams are a community and not a business. The government should do more to protect this. I can honestly see United like a Leeds United within the decade languishing in the Championship. Plenty of teams with massive stadiums in there. Sunderland, Wednesday etc. We could be next.
 
adam cool dude said:
The reality is waking up this morning as a club we are truly done.

Zero money with a club that has the biggest debt in the league. With PSR we cannot simply spend our way out of it. How the hell we are going to build a new stadium beggars belief. You do something like that when the books are good and you are successful not how we are now.

We have zero chance of getting Europe next season. Top ten will be a miracle. It is sad to watch as a fan watching everything SAF built up to be basically gone now thanks to American grifters. Yet everything they did was totally legal.

Football teams are a community and not a business. The government should do more to protect this. I can honestly see United like a Leeds United within the decade languishing in the Championship. Plenty of teams with massive stadiums in there. Sunderland, Wednesday etc. We could be next.
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Blaming the Glazers is easy but they invested in the team. Man Utd under the Glazers spent more than any other club in the country. You can't accuse them of not backing managers.
 
spudbynight said:
Blaming the Glazers is easy but they invested in the team. Man Utd under the Glazers spent more than any other club in the country. You can't accuse them of not backing managers.
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That money came from success though. Got absolutely nothing to do with the Glazers. Yes it was spent poorly but at least we would have a club with next to no debt.

Now we have absolutely huge debt and can spend nothing on the team because of it.
 
adam cool dude said:
That money came from success though. Got absolutely nothing to do with the Glazers. Yes it was spent poorly but at least we would have a club with next to no debt.

Now we have absolutely huge debt and can spend nothing on the team because of it.
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This is spot on. Theres also random stuff like using £30m on consultants for how to sell a chunk of the club to Ineos. Which has contributed to the £300m in the red in the last year or two.

And now you have someone in charge of the footballing side who won’t buy toilet roll as it’ll save a few 100 a year but will spend 10s if not 100s of thousands on private jets so everyone at management level can travel comfortably.
 
adam cool dude said:
That money came from success though. Got absolutely nothing to do with the Glazers. Yes it was spent poorly but at least we would have a club with next to no debt.

Now we have absolutely huge debt and can spend nothing on the team because of it.
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Any limitations on your spending will have little to do with the debt from the Glazers buyout. Utd's PSR losses are primarily down to wasteful spending on transfer fees and wages.
 
Mint8 said:
Garnacho's thrown his Teddy then - getting his transfer request in early before the ship goes down ?
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Things have been strained with him and his idiot brother/advisors since January. I actually think we need to move him on - He ain't all that but might have value. The only challenge is how do you recruit something better for decent money. One benefit of no European football is that the squad can be trimmed without needing to replace all the outgoings. 1 game a week, 2 occasionally and depending on cup runs - we might only play 40 games next season whereas in the past it was more like 65.

Anyway I understand Nacho's frustrations but he's been warned about his petulance before - it's symptomatic of a selfishness which is often reflected in his on pitch play. We are at rock bottom - might as well move on anyone who isn't 100% up for the fight.
 
We shouldn't be pandering to a single player in this squad, none of them deserve it. There have been murmurings around Garnacho for ages now (the stuff with his brother etc).

I don't even mind if Bruno leaves, he's an excellent player but he's somewhat individualistic and undisciplined, Amorim wants the focus to be on the team.

Really this is all going to come down to signings, as usual. INEOS have only had one proper window but so far I haven't been overly impressed with them; they need to do better, we can't repeat these mistakes.

I'm not too concerned financially, we can sell a few players and there will be no shortage of money to (potentially) spaff up the wall.

spudbynight said:
Blaming the Glazers is easy but they invested in the team. Man Utd under the Glazers spent more than any other club in the country. You can't accuse them of not backing managers.
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I always think this is a weak point. Yes they've spent a fortune on players, but it's been spent badly by club executives who are terrible at their jobs. It's like spending a million quid on a Fiat Panda when you think you're getting a LaFerrari - you've spent the money but you've still made a terrible mistake.
 
Robbo said:
I don't even mind if Bruno leaves,
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There's an argument to be had that it may even be for the best. The ultimate objective for Utd is to be competing for League's and CL's and if you're being realistic, that's not happening in the next two seasons at the very least. Utd need to start making decisions today with 2+ years in mind and within a month of 27/28 season kicking off, Fernandes will have turned 33. It's far from certain that at 33 Fernandes will still be performing at a level to justify his place in a side hoping to compete at the top, in fact history tells us it's probably highly unlikely that he will.

Now obviously there's a journey to be had over the next 24 months and you can't just go from where you are to competing for the League but taking a big offer from the Saudi's and reinvesting that in 2-3 x 22-23 year olds could both improve the squad as a whole in the short term and set you up better to succeed in the mid to long term. The gamble is obviously reinvesting the money in the right players.
 
BaZ87 said:
There's an argument to be had that it may even be for the best. The ultimate objective for Utd is to be competing for League's and CL's and if you're being realistic, that's not happening in the next two seasons at the very least. Utd need to start making decisions today with 2+ years in mind and within a month of 27/28 season kicking off, Fernandes will have turned 33. It's far from certain that at 33 Fernandes will still be performing at a level to justify his place in a side hoping to compete at the top, in fact history tells us it's probably highly unlikely that he will.

Now obviously there's a journey to be had over the next 24 months and you can't just go from where you are to competing for the League but taking a big offer from the Saudi's and reinvesting that in 2-3 x 22-23 year olds could both improve the squad as a whole in the short term and set you up better to succeed in the mid to long term. The gamble is obviously reinvesting the money in the right players.
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I think that's absolutely fair, if the focus is on the long term, we can't turn down a big offer for him.
 
I think they essentially need to get rid of everyone and anyone. Then rebuild with less flair but more dogged players. I doubt we can even afford the flair?

We have to accept that the club is a top club only in terms of history and revenue. The rest is all distinctly below average - staff, players, funds, management etc.

One supporting point for keeping Amroim is that you get the impression that the right players would run through walls for him. And really that's what we need.

Bruno should go elsewhere to win some trophies to finish off his career before his legs go.
 
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sigma said:
I think they essentially need to get rid of everyone and anyone. Then rebuild with less flair but more dogged players. I doubt we can even afford the flair?

We have to accept that the club is a top club only in terms of history and revenue. The rest is all distinctly below average - staff, players, funds, management etc.

One supporting point for keeping Amroim is that you get the impression that the right players would run through walls for him. And really that's what we need.

Bruno should go elsewhere to win some trophies to finish off his career before his legs go.
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Bruno is a player where his legs are not important. He is a machine and never gets injured. His stats are world class and that is being in this dog awful United team.

You see some players. Giggs as an example who just have great genetics for football. Bruno is one of those players. He could quite easily play until 36+. Like a Modric, Giggs, Maldini etc.
 
You can’t just get rid of the whole squad though and start again.

When has that ever happened apart from if a side has gone into administration. It’s a super tough job.

You’ve got just get a spin sorted first then go from there.
 
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