Fuji X Series

[Barks]

the "willy waving" thread suggest there's a few S10 owners here, possibly looking at a T5 upgrade. Are there people here that's made the jump and have feedback?

I've had a S10 for a bit over a year, as my 1st decent digital camera away from a phone - mainly for family photos and record my 6 year old grow up. When the images are crisp and well focussed they're great and I can soon justify the cost compared with my phone, but I find the hit-rate of well-focussed images way below what I get from my phone. I keep thinking it's to do with the processing/AI in a modern phone. I feel it's mainly the quick "capture the moment" snaps that are the worst, where I just want to raise the camera and snap, or my kids running about the place and the AF is trying to keep up - if I've got a few seconds I can mess about with AF settings like spot vs zone and check it's crisp on the intended subject. I've played with all manner of options and AF-C settings, watching many YT guides, using higher F-stops than I would typically want just to widen the depth of field and allow for more focal-range, etc. but I still find quick moments are still a gamble - this weekend I took my daughter to pony riding, and it kept wanting to focus on the horse's mane instead of her, even when the zone frame was predominantly on the rider and it refused to track her face, presumably due to the helmet, etc. so the more "action" shots are more of the animal and not her - but the "posed" shots are great. I also recently went to a RSBP place and tried to capture what I could with my longest lens (only 230mm) and it struggled to get crisp birds in flight, no matter what I did.

Realistically, is the T5/T50 gen any better? I read comments about AF improvements, but are they actually there? Or, is it a case of either practising more, or just burst mode and accept many images will be rubbish?

I keep wondering about the T5 (compared with the t50) as I rarely use the film-sims, so that top-dial on the t50 doesn't appeal and the weatherproofing of the T5 should make it more real-world usable. But, is it just a case that the AF isn't really much better (or that the improvements of the AF are outweighed by the 40MP sensor reducing the leeway)?

This may not help but the problem I find pointing and shooting with my X-T30 II is it seems to have a thing for 1/60s in all but very well lit conditions and even at a wide aperture. From my experience I never get sharp portraits of subjects that aren't completely still unless I’m at least at 1/125s. The camera actually has a minimum shutter speed setting but then ignores it if there’s not enough light thus making it an utterly useless feature.

If I have time to manually configure the shutter and aperture then I find the focusing to be very good. It is leagues ahead compared my old X-T20 so I imagine the 50 is better still.

 

[Scuzi]

the "willy waving" thread suggest there's a few S10 owners here, possibly looking at a T5 upgrade. Are there people here that's made the jump and have feedback?

I've had a S10 for a bit over a year, as my 1st decent digital camera away from a phone - mainly for family photos and record my 6 year old grow up. When the images are crisp and well focussed they're great and I can soon justify the cost compared with my phone, but I find the hit-rate of well-focussed images way below what I get from my phone. I keep thinking it's to do with the processing/AI in a modern phone. I feel it's mainly the quick "capture the moment" snaps that are the worst, where I just want to raise the camera and snap, or my kids running about the place and the AF is trying to keep up - if I've got a few seconds I can mess about with AF settings like spot vs zone and check it's crisp on the intended subject. I've played with all manner of options and AF-C settings, watching many YT guides, using higher F-stops than I would typically want just to widen the depth of field and allow for more focal-range, etc. but I still find quick moments are still a gamble - this weekend I took my daughter to pony riding, and it kept wanting to focus on the horse's mane instead of her, even when the zone frame was predominantly on the rider and it refused to track her face, presumably due to the helmet, etc. so the more "action" shots are more of the animal and not her - but the "posed" shots are great. I also recently went to a RSBP place and tried to capture what I could with my longest lens (only 230mm) and it struggled to get crisp birds in flight, no matter what I did.

Realistically, is the T5/T50 gen any better? I read comments about AF improvements, but are they actually there? Or, is it a case of either practising more, or just burst mode and accept many images will be rubbish?

I keep wondering about the T5 (compared with the t50) as I rarely use the film-sims, so that top-dial on the t50 doesn't appeal and the weatherproofing of the T5 should make it more real-world usable. But, is it just a case that the AF isn't really much better (or that the improvements of the AF are outweighed by the 40MP sensor reducing the leeway)?

The short answer is no, it won’t be that much better. If you want noticeably better AF you are going to have to move systems.

For what it’s worth, I rarely use AF-C on my X-S10. AF-S with the focus and reframe method is plenty quick enough for me. I try to have the focus point in roughly the correct part of the frame using the thumb toggle, half press on the focus point, once the focus and metering are set, I’ll reframe and adjust the exposure compensation using the right thumb wheel. AF+MF mode is also handy as fine adjustments can be quickly made. I use a lot of old MF cameras and lenses so have plenty of practice in that field, and it does require practice to increase speed. It sounds slow but can be surprisingly quick and can offer a very high hit rate once you get the hang of it.

If you want “set and forget” AF that will just work every time, you’ll have to go to Sony or Canon.

 

[GMac11]

I’d echo @Scuzi ‘s thoughts above, in that, I very much doubt you’d find a groundbreaking improvement in AF.
That point notwithstanding, I have honestly never had any complaints with Fuji’s AF and have happily shot action sports with the X-T3/4/5 as well as X-H1 and X-S10.

What lens(es) are you using? A lot of Fuji’s AF issues can be attributed to slower lens AF.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I have the XS10 too, the AF is servicable, it is fine....but it is not Sony level, not even Sony A7iii from 2017 level.

The AF in the XT5 is the same one in the X100VI i think and that is better so its up to you whether it is worth the difference.

 

[Barks]

Glad I held back buying that pancake lens…

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[Barks]

Can’t see a price yet but I know I’m buying it no matter what lol

Edit - on Jessops for £399 about what I expected but says October booooo!

 

[DereksDontRun]

Cheers for the replies

The short answer is no, it won’t be that much better. If you want noticeably better AF you are going to have to move systems.

For what it’s worth, I rarely use AF-C on my X-S10. AF-S with the focus and reframe method is plenty quick enough for me. I try to have the focus point in roughly the correct part of the frame using the thumb toggle, half press on the focus point, once the focus and metering are set, I’ll reframe and adjust the exposure compensation using the right thumb wheel. AF+MF mode is also handy as fine adjustments can be quickly made. I use a lot of old MF cameras and lenses so have plenty of practice in that field, and it does require practice to increase speed. It sounds slow but can be surprisingly quick and can offer a very high hit rate once you get the hang of it.

If you want “set and forget” AF that will just work every time, you’ll have to go to Sony or Canon.

I originally used AF-S, but I found that I needed to move to AF-C when trying to capture a kid running about the place. I guess I could give it another go, along with AF+MF.

I’d echo @Scuzi ‘s thoughts above, in that, I very much doubt you’d find a groundbreaking improvement in AF.
That point notwithstanding, I have honestly never had any complaints with Fuji’s AF and have happily shot action sports with the X-T3/4/5 as well as X-H1 and X-S10.

What lens(es) are you using? A lot of Fuji’s AF issues can be attributed to slower lens AF.

Lenses - mainly use Fuji XF 18-55mm f/2.8-4 R LM OIS and also carry a Fuji XC 50-230mm f/4.5-6.7 OIS II in the bag. - I'm unaware they're regarded as "slow" but I'm unsure what to look at there?

I guess I'll keep playing about for a bit

 

[GMac11]

Cheers for the replies


I originally used AF-S, but I found that I needed to move to AF-C when trying to capture a kid running about the place. I guess I could give it another go, along with AF+MF.




Lenses - mainly use Fuji XF 18-55mm f/2.8-4 R LM OIS and also carry a Fuji XC 50-230mm f/4.5-6.7 OIS II in the bag. - I'm unaware they're regarded as "slow" but I'm unsure what to look at there?

I guess I'll keep playing about for a bit

In that case I'd wager that you would garner more AF success with one of the newer zooms or the primes. The 18-55 does have a linear motor (which is at the higher end of AF technology) however it's quite an old Linear Motor by today's standards and AF speed is just ok.
I've not used the 50-230 but it's squarely in the budget line of lenses so I'd assume AF speed isn't top notch.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Feature	Fujifilm X‑T50	Fujifilm X‑E5	Fujifilm X‑T5
Announced	2024	June 12, 2025	Nov 2, 2022
Body Type	SLR-style compact mirrorless	Rangefinder-style, machined top	SLR-style weather-sealed
Sensor / Processor	40.2 MP X‑Trans CMOS 5 HR + X‑Processor 5	Same	Same
IBIS	5‑axis up to 7 stops	5‑axis, 7 stops	5‑axis up to 7 stops
Autofocus	Deep‑learning subject detection	AI-powered subject detection	Intelligent Hybrid with subject detection
Video	6.2K30, 4K60, 10‑bit w/ F‑Log2	6.2K30 + tracking AF	6.2K30, 4K60, FHD240
Viewfinder	2.36 M-dot OLED EVF	2.36 M-dot with “Classic Display”	3.69 M-dot EVF
Rear Screen	3″ 2‑way tilting touchscreen	3″ tilt + 180° forward flip	3″ 3‑way tilting touchscreen
Body Weight	~438 g (with battery)	~445 g	~557 g (battery & card)
Weather Sealing	None	None	Yes – rugged magnesium alloy
Memory Cards	Single UHS-II SD slot	Single SD slot	Dual UHS-II SD slots
Battery	NP‑W126S (~390 shots)	NP‑W126S-size (not yet rated)	NP‑W235 (~580 shots)
Max Shutter (electronic)	—	1/180,000 s	1/180,000 s
Burst Shooting	Mechanical 8 fps, Electronic 20 fps	Up to 13 fps	15 fps mech / 20 fps elec
MSRP (body only)	~$1,399	$1,699.95	$1,699

 

[GMac11]

I actually stuck a pre-order in with WEX for both the kit and the lens on its own (both silver obviously )
The camera looks great but I’m still not sure I could justify it as I know I’d still prefer to use my X-T5 in most scenarios. I really liked my X-e3 but between my X-T5 and iPhone 15PM it got less and less use.
However, I am all over the lens. I reckon it will be the ideal travel/small walk around lens and will replace both my 18 and 27 pancakes making my carry even smaller.

So I figured since I’m totally sold on the lens I may as well take a punt on the kit because it makes the camera effectively cost £1149 which isn’t terrible - plus I’d get the lens sooner.

 

[Barks]

I actually stuck a pre-order in with WEX for both the kit and the lens on its own (both silver obviously )
The camera looks great but I’m still not sure I could justify it as I know I’d still prefer to use my X-T5 in most scenarios. I really liked my X-e3 but between my X-T5 and iPhone 15PM it got less and less use.
However, I am all over the lens. I reckon it will be the ideal travel/small walk around lens and will replace both my 18 and 27 pancakes making my carry even smaller.

So I figured since I’m totally sold on the lens I may as well take a punt on the kit because it makes the camera effectively cost £1149 which isn’t terrible - plus I’d get the lens sooner.

I’ve done the same. I’ve only owned the X-T10, X-T20 and X-T30 II so it’s about time I tried something new.

Also have a large collection of lenses now but they’re all so big and heavy. Love the idea of a smaller setup I can throw in my bag for business trips or weekends away when I want to travel light.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I must be one of the few who isn't swayed by this 23/2.8 lens.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Found a like new X100V locally for £1000, which I’m quite tempted by. Watch this space…

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I was a bit interested in the 23MM,until I saw the 4 month wait for the "pre-order" - looks more like a Fujifilm Kickstarter campaign.

 

[Barks]

I must be one of the few who isn't swayed by this 28/2.8 lens.

It will be by far the worst lens in my collection from a technical perspective. I suspect even the 23mm f2.0 which I never use is probably better.

For me it’s about the portability and convenience. As I said above I think it’ll be the perfect lens for when I need to travel light, don’t necessarily need my best gear but still want something that is going to deliver decent results. Also, as an added bonus it does look cool - it’s a pancake lens!

 

[Raymond Lin]

I have this irrational dislike of pancake lens...there is nothing for my left hand to hold onto when taking a photo...When I had the Canon 5D4 with the 85/1.2, I never shot it without the lens hood because I found even that lens to be too short.

 

[Barks]

I have this irrational dislike of pancake lens...there is nothing for my left hand to hold onto when taking a photo...When I had the Canon 5D4 with the 85/1.2, I never shot it without the lens hood because I found even that lens to be too short.

Hadn’t considered this tbh. I guess will find out in August!

 

[Angst]

I must be one of the few who isn't swayed by this 23/2.8 lens.

Im not either, I don't understand why it exists if im honest. We have the 27mm pancake or the 23mm f2 already.

 

[Barks]

Im not either, I don't understand why it exists if im honest. We have the 27mm pancake or the 23mm f2 already.

Fujifilm don’t build lenses based on dart throwing monkeys, clearly there is big demand for something small and portable and 23mm is a much better focal length than the existing 2 pancakes

 

[Angst]

Fujifilm don’t build lenses based on dart throwing monkeys, clearly there is big demand for something small and portable and 23mm is a much better focal length than the existing 2 pancakes

I agree, my assumption is they are trying to market the xe5 as an x100 alternative to capture some of that crowd and so wanted to give it a comparable 23mm lens, However it's f2.8 not f2. If you want an f2.8 pamcake lens the 27mm already exists and is close enough and if you want f2 the 23mm f2 exists and isn't much larger realistically. I would understand it more if they had managed to make it an f2 pancake to directly match the x100.
What I really don't get though is releasing a WR lens with a non WR body, at the price of that thing theres no excuse for it not being weather resistant.