Your bad driving encounters

Uther said:
Problem with overtaking motorcyclists dangerously is they can then catch up with you at the next set of lights and rip your wing mirror off.
yours sincerely,
A Motorcyclist.

:p
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Only pussy motorcyclists do that... Got an issue with the driver, stop and speak to them. Punching their mirror off (or any other damage to their car) and riding off at speed like some sort of "hero" is just childish and pathetic
 
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Rroff said:
AFAIK unless there are signs and/or local restrictions which say otherwise there is nothing legally which deals with it. They closed a lot of truck stops and other rest areas for large goods vehicles in recent years which has made the problem worse.
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Slightly disappointing to hear. There are truck-stops in my area but I guess they're not free if you're wanting to use them as trailer depots.
 
On a more general topic related to laybys - they coned off some near me in preparation for roadworks and there have been several instances of people moving the cones and using them - rarely would happen a generation or more back. My mum was passing where they were blocking off a road earlier for roadworks and the workman had to resort to using a maintenance vehicle to block the road in the end to safely put the block and signs in place because people were ignoring them and just driving past/around as they were trying to put stuff out.
 
Rroff said:
On a more general topic related to laybys - they coned off some near me in preparation for roadworks and there have been several instances of people moving the cones and using them - rarely would happen a generation or more back. My mum was passing where they were blocking off a road earlier for roadworks and the workman had to resort to using a maintenance vehicle to block the road in the end to safely put the block and signs in place because people were ignoring them and just driving past/around as they were trying to put stuff out.
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Similar thing happened on one of my routes.

Closed one side of the road for underground cable maintenance (Electric) with a single file temp light setup. One particular stretch went past some shops with a parking bay setup.

Works filled the bay with no parking cones because obviously it'd mean they'd be parking in the middle of the lights otherwise. On day 1 the cones were all launched on the pavement and people parked in the bay to go to the shops.
 
Haggisman said:
Lorries seem to be the worst for this, temporary 50mph zones through roadworks, and they'll sit right up your **** getting all irate even when you're doing dead on 50 on GPS.

If you want to go faster then just overtake me! (which they invariably do about 100m before the return to NSL, after sitting behind you for 3 miles... I swear they do it on purpose!)
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I see this a lot and find it odd, most trucks have had Adaptive Cruise for years, I use it all the time in roadworks, just set at 48 or 50 and the gap to 2 or 3 bars and sit back and enjoy the drive. We're paid by the hour so hardly anybody at work rushes!
 
WoZZeR said:
I see this a lot and find it odd, most trucks have had Adaptive Cruise for years, I use it all the time in roadworks, just set at 48 or 50 and the gap to 2 or 3 bars and sit back and enjoy the drive. We're paid by the hour so hardly anybody at work rushes!
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You get all sorts both driver attitude and how the company runs, etc. we get quite a few agency drivers who are in a hurry to get anywhere because if they finish ahead of schedule they still have the hours to pickup a job from say Conway where they'll drive somewhere and park up overnight before picking up the load in the morning and then you get other drivers who'll stretch it out so they don't finish in time to have to take out another load (if they are just on company time).
 
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Had 1 this morning that was just a guy being an absolute Fud! (capital F in fud to provide emphasis on how much of a fud he was being)

Travelling along in morning traffic on the motorway in Lane 3 with cars in front of me (traffic is varying in speed between 40-60mph as per typical rush hour traffic so my speed is also changing to match). I leave a decent braking/safety gap in front due to this varying speed. Mr Kia (who has been riding my ass for a mile or so) decided he isn't having it and moves to lane 2, undertakes and then pushes into the gap in front of me. He then stays there for about 3 miles (as cannot pass again) until his junction comes up (actually where the motorway splits), half moves over before deciding he wants to pass another car in the lane he was entering and immediately moving back into my lane again and then back over. At which point, I pass him (I was going right and him left at the split).

I mean WTAF - he got absolutely NO further forward than he would have been sitting behind me and, instead, decides to create a danger by squeezing in front of me with no regards if the car in front of him had to brake due to the heavy traffic.

Usual middle aged bloater of a guy with a resting bitch face that was driving of course :rolleyes:
 
This would seem to be proof that too many 20mph areas are not really working (from the BBC taken of the DfT )


I stand by my view that 20mph should be kept for outside schools and what not as well as very specific accident black spots and then for the rest better to more enforce 30mph limits. When even 50% of bus drivers are ignoring them - and presumably its their job on the line if they get speeding offences - then it is clearly not being enforced so what is the point ? It is an example of where something which is irritating is used too often loses its impact.

interesting to see that motorcyclists speed significantly more than car drivers tho - and yet they always seem to think its the car at fault in any accident ;)
 
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bigmike20vt said:
This would seem to be proof that too many 20mph areas are not really working (from the BBC taken of the DfT )


I stand by my view that 20mph should be kept for outside schools and what not as well as very specific accident black spots and then for the rest better to more enforce 30mph limits. When even 50% of bus drivers are ignoring them - and presumably its their job on the line if they get speeding offences - then it is clearly not being enforced so what is the point ? It is an example of where something which is irritating is used too often loses its impact.

interesting to see that motorcyclists speed significantly more than car drivers tho - and yet they always seem to think its the car at fault in any accident ;)
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The thing which concerns me is that if you do a deep dive most of the justifications and studies which support 20 MPH limits do not stand up and/or are based on lab simulations which are not actually how things work in the real world. But are used to ram through an agenda led increase in the [mis]use of 20MPH zones. (For example it isn't uncommon for studies post the introduction to suddenly be stopped after 3-5 years when the numbers if you continue to source them stop supporting what they want to say, or the clean air ones which try to portray the exact same trend as seen widely as specific to that zone because it supports what they want).

I'm also fascinated as to why very few people break specific 60 limits despite a large number speeding in other limits - even on the dual-carriageway near me which changed from a NSL 70 to a specific 60 limit it has gone from probably more breaking the speed limit than not to only a tiny number doing over 60 other than when passing other traffic i.e. lorries at 56-57.

On the other hand I do think it wouldn't hurt to role out advisory lower limits more widely - they've just added a black border on white 40 MPH MAX sign for a bad corner near me and the following village after that IMO it wouldn't hurt to do a similar 20MPH advisory limit through part of it - though I can see some people complaining it would be confusing with the village as a whole being 30.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
This would seem to be proof that too many 20mph areas are not really working (from the BBC taken of the DfT )


I stand by my view that 20mph should be kept for outside schools and what not as well as very specific accident black spots and then for the rest better to more enforce 30mph limits. When even 50% of bus drivers are ignoring them - and presumably its their job on the line if they get speeding offences - then it is clearly not being enforced so what is the point ? It is an example of where something which is irritating is used too often loses its impact.

interesting to see that motorcyclists speed significantly more than car drivers tho - and yet they always seem to think its the car at fault in any accident ;)
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The bus company I work for has on-board telematics with active speed monitoring. If we exceed the limit for more than 6 seconds an alert is emailed direct to our line manager who will then pull the telematic records and assess whether we need disciplinary action. Usually if it's the first infraction in a while and there's nothing else during that shift to cause concern then we'll get a brief message via the driver's comms app just to watch our speed. Repeated infractions invoke a disciplinary.
 
bigmike20vt said:
This would seem to be proof that too many 20mph areas are not really working (from the BBC taken of the DfT )


I stand by my view that 20mph should be kept for outside schools and what not as well as very specific accident black spots and then for the rest better to more enforce 30mph limits. When even 50% of bus drivers are ignoring them - and presumably its their job on the line if they get speeding offences - then it is clearly not being enforced so what is the point ? It is an example of where something which is irritating is used too often loses its impact.

interesting to see that motorcyclists speed significantly more than car drivers tho - and yet they always seem to think its the car at fault in any accident ;)
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Why is that not proof that 20mph limits aren't being adequately enforced, and that drivers are arrogant hypocrites who don't think the law applies to them?

Edit: 20mph limits should also benefit everyone who lives on or uses such roads in ways other than driving a car. Add selfishness to the arrogance and hypocrisy.
 
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Brun said:
Why is that not proof that 20mph limits aren't being adequately enforced,
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that is part of what I said. if they were enforced 50% of bus drivers,
75% of cars and 80% of bikers would not be ignoring them. the issue is (imo) when there are 20mph limits put in places which have been safe for donkeys years but done after tosspots absolutely hooning about (personal experience of that) then it stands to reason loads will ignore them... which then means ones that the 20mph is actually needed may be ignored too.

you can say as much as you want that no one should ever speed.... but they are doing. over 75% of people ignoring a law is unenforceable
 
It's one thing I've actually envied about American driving, is turning on red (for them right, but would be left for us). Obviously this requires it to be safe and use observation so I can see why we don't do it :D . I don't actually mind 20 zones, near my kids school it makes sense, and on our twisty residential estate (where people often park like bell ends) it works well. I've seena few people have to slam (and see the car nosedive from the force) when they've had to give way.
That said I think motorways should be a higher limit. Imo speeding has a time and place, and residential areas are not that place.
 
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Rroff said:
AFAIK unless there are signs and/or local restrictions which say otherwise there is nothing legally which deals with it. They closed a lot of truck stops and other rest areas for large goods vehicles in recent years which has made the problem worse.
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If they are unhitched then are they still classed as taxed/insured? Are they still classed as a vehicle?

It sounds like you're basically saying it's fine to "dump" (for lack of a better word) a trailer on the public highway and there's nothing legally which can be done about it (as long as it's not causing an obstruction)?

In which case, I could really do with a nice new shed trailer on the road outside my house ;)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/156948015870

Perfect!


Edit: in which case does the same apply to caravans (as long as you aren't using them to live in)?
 
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