Chinese cars

Tesla board think they've got to keep Musk on board with the 27BN stock options linked with performance (but diluting shareholder value)
to fight the good fight against BYD, with it's lower segments & their autopilot;
scary that no one is lined up, or proposed as a successor just in case - yaccarino didn't stay long.

the cost reduced Y platform seems like a weapon, if they have a means to protect residuals.
 
jpaul said:
Tesla board think they've got to keep Musk on board with the 27BN stock options linked with performance (but diluting shareholder value)
to fight the good fight against BYD, with it's lower segments & their autopilot;
scary that no one is lined up, or proposed as a successor just in case - yaccarino didn't stay long.

the cost reduced Y platform seems like a weapon, if they have a means to protect residuals.
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I wish they'd grow a pair and sod the man child off..

I know i'd be much more likely to buy a Telsa if he wasn't associated with the brand anymore
 
sovietspybob said:
I wish they'd grow a pair and sod the man child off..

I know i'd be much more likely to buy a Telsa if he wasn't associated with the brand anymore
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The problem is, Tesla wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for Musk. He's a clever chap, you can't just "sod him off" as he'll sod off and take the company down with him.

Its a unique situation because normally the top brass sit behind a media firewall and tow the line in ensuring communication is done via official channels. In Musk's case the guy owns one of the biggest social media platforms in the world and has no filter. Powerful and dangerous in equal measure.
 
nice looking chinese ev, ~1.4m height, cues : nissan z car front, long bonnet, xj haunches, french rear ?
head-up display does movies, talk to it from outside, but, who needs the reliability&cost of, an electrically powered glove-box
( the electric boot on my audi sometimes groans - never had that worry on the unpowered touring )

 
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There are still not many details on the Octopus Energy Power Pack Bundle with BYD Dolphin, that they announced on 23rd of June.

https://octopus.energy/press/octopu...n-with-all-inclusive-car-and-charging-bundle/

It looks like it can be an amazing deal, if they let one charge the car battery (60.4 kWh usable) for free and then use the energy to power the home.
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I don't think that is the offering at all. It reads to me that the car charging is free and then a proportion of that charge is then available at Octopus' demand to feed back into the grid.

I must admit, while I get the theory I don't really get the application here;

Drivers simply plug in overnight and let the tech do the rest.
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Isn't peak demand during the daytime / early evening? So... is this initiative just to offset the lack of solar overnight?!
 
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There is a certain comedy to seeing long established European/American car manufacturers who have spent decades ripping off and scamming customers now finding their electric cars are struggling against the electric cars of Chinese electronics/battery manufacturers :D

A shame Japanese car manufacturers (historically much more customer/reliability focused than European/American ones) are running into issues too, but then they're somewhat insulated by being the first to get in on the Hybrid and now PHEV games. Having said that it seems BYD and co are rushing to build PHEVs now as they have seen how well they are being received compared to EVs.
 
There is a huge propaganda campaign going on in the West against the BEVs - funded mostly by oil companies and some established car manufacturers. This is the reason PHEVs are selling so well currently. But IMHO that won't last as technically they are a poor compromise. They have the disadvantages of both ICE and BEV cars combined.

Charging an EV at home with a tariff like Octopus Intelligent Go is at least 4 times cheaper than the most efficient petrol or diesel car. As there are more and more public EV chargers I think the competition will lower the price and BEVs will become cheaper to run, even for people without the possibility to install a home charger. E.g. recently BE EV opened the Manchester Charging Oasis - where from 7pm to 7am the price is 25p per kwh. And they have something like 12x 300kW chargers there.

If one can cheaply charge a BEV and the BEV itself is same price as PHEV (with the new government grant) - why carry that heavy petrol engine around, why pay for oil changes and expensive annual service.
 
IMHO PHEVs have 2 strong points:
1. Improve the efficiency of a petrol engine. But no matter how efficient, petrol is still a lot more expensive than BEV running on night tariff electricity.
2. Use electricity for short journeys and petrol for long ones. But as there are more and more public chargers and the competition drives prices down - why not just use electricity for long journeys as well.
 
China is going from BEV to hybrid or REV based on consumer demand. BYD have their new DM-I hybrid for example

Why use petrol for long journeys? To save time. No one wants to sit at a charger waiting and paying more than petrol
 
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Simon said:
China is going from BEV to hybrid or REV based on consumer demand. BYD have their new DM-I hy ring for example

Why use petrol for long journeys? To save time. No one wants to sit at a charger waiting and paying more than petrol
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Also, the cheap home electricity is used as a massive plus for BEVs yet the relatively cheap ppm of petrol if you need to exceed the cars range is totally ignored when we get the anti PHEV arguments.

Edit- sorry, you mentioned the cost in your post! I blame it on not having had a coffee yet!
 
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m4rmite said:
If this is less than 40k I'm getting one:D:cry:
interestingengineering.com

BYD's upgraded 3,000 hp Yangwang U9 set to beat all electric supercars

The Yangwang U9 Track Edition promises an astonishing 3,019 hp, tripling performance and setting a new standard for electric supercars.
interestingengineering.com interestingengineering.com
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#metoo!

I know the depreciation on EVs is higher but it might take a while before it gets to 40K from it's $230k base price :D.

It's ability to bunny hop over potholes would be it's most used feature in this country anyway...
 
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